Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Thursday, 30 October 2014 15:21:55 UTC, Dave Cornwell wrote:
General wrote:
"Eskimo Will" wrote in message ...

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Is this special pleading on behalf of UKMO (in which case I don't think
the case has been made) or do you think everyone in the country should
get a pay rise? Do you have the keys to the money-making machine? I
certainly don't. With a public debt that's potentially going to be
absolutely ruinous for future generations, surely any sane person can
see the rationale for having to keep the lid on public expenditure?
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No more than the lid on private jobs many of whom have seen their
salaries rocket or they don't pay their full quota of tax if they are
tradesmen or self employed. Not an option as a PAYE public sector
worker. Not only are public sector workers underpaid they are
undervalued. However it seems to be the lot in life of a Scientist even
in the private and utility sector - they are desperately underpaid for
the studying they have had to do and the level of expertise required to
do their job. Somewhere on at least par with a Lawyer or Accountant but
they will only get a fraction of their salary.
Dave

I'm with you Dave , the private sector workers have been squeezed until those Jaffa seeds start to scream. I've worked in the private sector since 1990, actually its not really private as its government funded no matter what , but I digress as we haven't received a pay rise in eight years, the pensions offered are private and are no where near the ludicrously paid final salary scheme figure that are paid no matter what. I mean look at Will didn't he retire at 60 whilst most will have to retire at 67 and even then their private pensions will be about a fifth of state and local authority workers. I believe they are a bloody luck lot of so and so's and one of the last bastions of well paid, well looked after workers in this country.

I wouldn't be surprised if certain agencies weren't looking to streamline down UKMO and out source most of the work to private agencies.

Larry will now look into the futu I see a major government inquiry into the met office and all the things that its succession of leaders have been told to do will be used against them and used as an excuse to use that terrible term "not fit for purpose". You marl my words UKMO cannot continue in its present form and the OTT warnings, the BBQ summers and the Global warming hysterics will be used against them as they out source the work.

Lets face it the general public won't give a toss.


But the question of them going on strike is very concerning as does that mean there will be no weather when they withdraw barometers ?
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"I'm with you Dave ," .... the rest didn't quite seem to follow what I
was saying but I agree that not all the Private Sector has done well
though tradesmen I employ seem to be minted. As for pensions, I agree
they have become a disgrace but we shouldn't be moaning about people
benefiting from decent ones - we should be getting the other schemes up
to a better standard. The UK is right near the bottom of the league in
Europe in terms of pension benefits.

Just like you did, Will!

On 30/10/2014 14:58, Eskimo Will wrote:

But hey, look on the bright side, we are paying off the deficit (or are
we? Seems as big as ever?) caused by greedy ignorant w.. er bankers.

Will

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

We're all on our own, survival of the fittest, not sure how long I'll
last. If I fall ill, no sick pay, nothing, still not got used to it
after 4 1/2 years of being self employed and ripped off by a franchise,
but then I was desperate to keep away from job seekers plus, which was
one of those low points in my life.

Oh well, I still do the lottery

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx

On Thursday, 30 October 2014 21:38:57 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
On 30/10/2014 14:58, Eskimo Will wrote:

But hey, look on the bright side, we are paying off the deficit (or are
we? Seems as big as ever?) caused by greedy ignorant w.. er bankers.

Will

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

We're all on our own, survival of the fittest, not sure how long I'll
last. If I fall ill, no sick pay, nothing, still not got used to it
after 4 1/2 years of being self employed and ripped off by a franchise,
but then I was desperate to keep away from job seekers plus, which was
one of those low points in my life.

Oh well, I still do the lottery

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@LawnscienceEssx


The last thing you want is to be put out to grass.

On Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:49:49 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:13:25 PM UTC, wrote:
Well the MetO staff have just heard that a derisory pay offer is about to be
imposed.
The offer in no way addresses pay inequalities between sexes, does nothing
to reward loyal, good and hard working staff, does nothing to motivate staff
and does nothing to stem the cut to living standards to some of the best
scientists in the country.

Over the past 10 years Minister after Minister have visited the Met Office
and told staff that they are the "jewel in the UK crown of science", but
where is the reward? A pat on the back and feck all in the pay packet. Well
enough is enough, and the staff are now being balloted on industrial action.
This does not mean an all out strike but probably action short of a strike.
Like mass walkouts, working to rule, refusing to do favours, no applause for
visiting politicians etc etc.

Of course the battle is against the Tory government coalition and not MetO
management. But, .... MetO management have done naff all to help the
situation and now chickens are coming home to roost. The main trade Union in
the Met Office is Prospect and I am still a member of that Union. There are
also a few PCS members too. So I give my support to all staff in their
fight.

This action is likely to be long and protracted and may get nasty if there
is nothing from government. Whether it will affect weather services I'm not
sure. Probably not on the face of it, but you can rest assured that staff
morale there remains at rock bottom and that has implications for quality in
my opinion. There are signs now that because of poor pay good graduates are
leaving and recruiting is getting harder, well Mr Government what will
happen to your jewels then?

Good luck, stick it up 'em where it hurts!

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Not a little dig at your previous employers, or anything here, is it Will.

Let it go. You don't work for them any more......

Not yet another dig at Will, is it? So predictable. Isn't it time you had a go at me again? Let's try this. Statement: The earth is round. Cue: Paul Garvey of Dawlish insists that it is flat.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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Not yet another dig at Will, is it? So predictable. Isn't it time you
had a go at me again? Let's try this. Statement: The earth is round.
Cue: Paul Garvey of Dawlish insists that it is flat.


LOL Tudor, Dawlish is simply "safely ignored" now.

Will
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:13:02 AM UTC, wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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Not yet another dig at Will, is it? So predictable. Isn't it time you
had a go at me again? Let's try this. Statement: The earth is round.
Cue: Paul Garvey of Dawlish insists that it is flat.


LOL Tudor, Dawlish is simply "safely ignored" now.

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On other forums you could both 'safely ignore me very well', but instead, you both choose not to on here.

Ever thought of the hypocrisy inherent in doing that? laughing

Not the only one !

On Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:49:49 UTC, Dawlish wrote:

a little dig

Oh the irony.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:01:36 +0000
Dave Cornwell wrote:

As for pensions, I agree
they have become a disgrace but we shouldn't be moaning about people
benefiting from decent ones - we should be getting the other schemes
up to a better standard. The UK is right near the bottom of the
league in Europe in terms of pension benefits.

Yes, the problem all started with companies taking a holiday from
adding to the pension pot when investments were doing well. Lined their
own pockets instead and then picked the pockets of their employees when
the stock market wasn't doing so well.

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Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Mail: 'newsman' not 'newsboy'.
"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when they're open". -
Lord Dewar (1864-1930)