"James Brown" wrote in message
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In message , Eskimo Will
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"Len Wood" wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 3:54 pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
I dispair. If only the country was run by scientists and not career
politicians.

Some hope!

One day Len, maybe one day.
You know if things truly go tits up in the economy things will *have* to
change.

Bring on the revolution :-)

Will
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Sadly you have no idea what a revolution would bring Will do you? -

Oh yes I do, but I'm not discussing here.

don't you think folk have seen enough anarchy?


Who said anything about anarchy?

Not sure why you started this thread in this news group either.


Because I did and it was entitled "[WR] Industrial action in Exeter".
The [WR] seems to have mysteriously disappeared for some reason?

Will
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"Adam Lea" wrote in message
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On 30/11/11 21:01, Len Wood wrote:
On Nov 30, 3:54 pm, "Eskimo wrote:
Perfect weather for a strike and for picket line duty!
Sun, and temperature around 10C.

Great turnout at Exeter City Centre rally with just under 4000 union
folk
and families/supporters on the rally with all unions represented
including
mine - PROSPECTwww.prospect.org.uk. Many met Office colleagues were with
us too fighting for a fair *negotiated* pension settlement, not a
government
imposed one. First strike in the Met Office for over 30 years.

Red Will :-)
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Good on you Will.

I heard some ****t on Radio 5 Live last night, someone from some
Institute of Economics if I remember rightly, say public sector
workers should not expect any special treatment because they have not
shown any improvement on productivity. Good lord! Quite the opposite.
We have a bit of a problem because we are livng longer. This is thanks
to improvements in medical science and medical care.
Well done NHS and medical research institutes.
And what about weather forecasting? Quite a few improvements here.
Well done UKMO on the sharp end, and other academic research
establishments.

We all know the problem we are in is due to an appalling gambling
culture in the financial industries, and shocking government from
Thatcher and Lawson, Blair and Brown, and now Cameron and Clegg
who see the public sector as the soft and easy target. Too difficult
to go after the bankers and tax evaders.

I dispair. If only the country was run by scientists and not career
politicians.

Some hope!

Len (not OT)

I would agree that it is abhorrent that those responsible for this
economic mess are not being held accountable for their actions, but how
exactly do you go after the bankers and tax evaders? If you try and touch
them all they have to do is up sticks and leave, and take their wealth
with them.


Good I say. Good riddance to the selfish, greedy so and so's.

Having said that if public sector pension schemes are unsustainable in the
long term then they will have to come to an end at some point, as with
anything that is unsustainable.


Yes and the Unions have agreed to look at reviewing all the schemes in 2015
as per Lord Hutton review.
No problem with that. But we will not tolerate an imposed tax which has
nothing to do with affordability but everything to do with paying off the
deficit. This on top of a pay freeze and then more effectibve pay cuts.

Will
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On Nov 30, 11:02*pm, "Roger Smith" wrote:
Len Wood wrote:

I dispair. If only the country was run by scientists and not career
politicians.

Some hope!

Len (not OT)

"Technocrats" seems to be the current buzzword - as pertaining to Greece and
Italy at least.

Roger

Technocrats! Papademos being a former central banker, and Mario Monti,
a Goldman Sachs stooge - from the circle of banking people that got us
into this mess in the first place - NO THANKS!!!

On Nov 30, 11:06*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
"James Brown" wrote in message

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In message , Eskimo Will
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"Len Wood" wrote in message
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On Nov 30, 3:54 pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
I dispair. If only the country was run by scientists and not career
politicians.

Some hope!

One day Len, maybe one day.
You know if things truly go tits up in the economy things will *have* to
change.

Bring on the revolution :-)

Will
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Sadly you have no idea what a revolution would bring Will do you? -

Oh yes I do, but I'm not discussing here.

don't you think folk have seen enough anarchy?

Who said anything about anarchy?

Not sure why you started this thread in this news group either.

Because I did and it was entitled "[WR] Industrial action in Exeter".
The [WR] seems to have mysteriously disappeared for some reason?

Will
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Did not disappear in my post Will.
WR means Weathermen Rule, OK!
Weatherwomen as well of course.

Len
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Adam Lea wrote:


I would agree that it is abhorrent that those responsible for this
economic mess are not being held accountable for their actions, but how
exactly do you go after the bankers and tax evaders? If you try and
touch them all they have to do is up sticks and leave, and take their
wealth with them.
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That is a self perpetuated myth. I live in the "city boys" commuter belt
and know a few of them. Flash yes, but not that bright. They are NOT
going to waltz into 150K a year jobs in the States and Switzerland. If
they go there are plenty of others capable of doing their job on a
fraction of the salary.

On Nov 30, 7:29*pm, "Col" wrote:
Nick wrote:

Col wrote:

Wake up and smell the coffee, and start to understand just how poor
the pension provision is for others, and how selfish you are being
in expecting the taxpayer to bankroll a pension most in the peivate
sector can only dream about.
--
Col

rant
If the pension provision is poor for the private sector the problem is
the private sector is too stingy, not the public sector is too
generous. Taxpayers with a capital T are the ones being selfish,
hoarding all the money for themselves and resenting their money being
put on public services. Remember also that pensions are only a part of
many people's issues with this government, cuts to public services are
another. All that crap that the loathsome George Osborne comes out
with about us "all being in this together", yeah right like he is lol.
What Osborne is all about is pleasing his friends in the city and the
world of international finance.
/rant

And how much do you think it would cost employees for private sector
pensions to be brought up to current public sector levels?
The taxpayer is effectively subsidising public sector pension provision.

And no, I don't resent my taxes going to fund the public sector.
But what I *do* resent is them going to fund public sector pensions
that are far more generous than myself and most employees in the
private sector is likely to recieve.
How on earth can that be considered 'fair'?
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Col

Bolton, Lancashire
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Some people in the private sector do rather well. Me, for
example. I worked for BP for 13 years and my pension is generous in
relation to my salary and period of employment.
In any case, do you want a race to the top or the bottom? The
higher the public sector pensions the greater the pressure on private
employers to provide something decent for their employees. It's in
the long-term self-interest of every moderately-paid worker to support
the strike otherwise the large and increasing disparity in wealth in
this country will continue, to the financial detriment of the majority
and to society in general in terms of cohesion, health and happiness.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

In message , Blue Jet "
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On 30/11/2011 15:54, Eskimo Will wrote:
Perfect weather for a strike and for picket line duty!
Sun, and temperature around 10C.

Great turnout at Exeter City Centre rally with just under 4000 union
folk and families/supporters on the rally with all unions represented
including mine - PROSPECT www.prospect.org.uk . Many met Office
colleagues were with us too fighting for a fair *negotiated* pension
settlement, not a government imposed one. First strike in the Met Office
for over 30 years.

Red Will :-)
You are now paying the price of years of Brown's profligacy
particularly with the public sector.What proportion of your lot voted
to strike ie. as a percentage of all those who could vote? What about
the human rights of those who want to work but feel intimidated by the
pickets?
cc


Dear me the Daily Mail pollutes everywhere.
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Jim Kewley

In message , Col
writes

"Eskimo Will" wrote in message
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Perfect weather for a strike and for picket line duty!
Sun, and temperature around 10C.

Great turnout at Exeter City Centre rally with just under 4000 union folk
and families/supporters on the rally with all unions represented including
mine - PROSPECT www.prospect.org.uk . Many met Office colleagues were with
us too fighting for a fair *negotiated* pension settlement, not a
government imposed one. First strike in the Met Office for over 30 years.


No sympathy whatsoever.
The public sector have had it too good for too long with regards
to pensions. And even the offer on the table at the moment is
far better than the deals most private sector employees get. My
pension terms were reduced some years ago, I've had one
(small) pay rise in three years and there is the constant threat of
redundancy.

So basically, be thankful for what you've got.
There are millions of workers in a far worse position than those in
the public sector.


Instead of willingly participating in the race to the bottom, why not
try and better the position of everybody ?

Had you down as better than that. Still the right is very clever at
fooling the lower classes, and that's what it's about a class war. Snag
is it hasn't dawned on the average Joe. It will one day but by then
it'll be far too late.
--

Jim Kewley

In message , Col
writes

"Les Hemmings" wrote in message
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Col wrote:


No sympathy whatsoever.
The public sector have had it too good for too long with regards
to pensions. And even the offer on the table at the moment is
far better than the deals most private sector employees get. My
pension terms were reduced some years ago, I've had one
(small) pay rise in three years and there is the constant threat of
redundancy.

So basically, be thankful for what you've got.
There are millions of workers in a far worse position than those in
the public sector.

Couldn't afford losing a day's pay! Would have been manning the barricades
if I could! You think we're all well payed with monster cheap pensions?
Just shows you've swallowed the toey hype! I do 37 hours outdoors, £886
per month... projected pension £2522 per year.

Get your facts right!

The pension terms are far better than most in the private sector, that is
not in dispute by independent bodies. A lot of people, especially the self
employed, don't even have a private pension.

Cuts have to be made. It seems reasonable that the very generous public
sector pensions should be trimmed back somewhat. What makes you think
that you should get far better pension terms than those in the private
sector?

Wake up and smell the coffee, and start to understand just how poor the
pension provision is for others, and how selfish you are being in expecting
the taxpayer to bankroll a pension most in the peivate sector can only
dream about.


Sadly it's you who needs to wake up and sniff the caffeine.
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Jim Kewley

In message , Eskimo Will
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It's not a race to the bottom Col.

The pensions as they stand now *are* affordable because of the career
average changes and increase in pension age made in 2007. Lord Hutton
said in his review that even if no pensions were changed then as a
fraction of GDP they would cost less than they do now by 2050. We
accepted negotiated changes after 2015 when we expect all pensions to
convert to career average retiring at 65. What the government are
seeking to impose now is nothing more than a tax on pensions to help
pay off the deficit, it has nothing to do with affordability. Enough is enough.

Will


Hi Will, I'm not employed by the public sector, never have been either
but my work in finance got me involved with several of the Thatcher
privatisations of public services/utilities.They were all a rip off on
the tax payer, their main aim, and result, was to transfer public
resources into private hands and to subjugate the work force.
Consequently I have a fair knowledge of public sector pensions, I know
that you all make extensive contributions and suffered low pay, that's
exactly what your lengthy incremental scales were about, keeping the
wage average down to minimal levels. Consequently I fully support the
industrial action.

My only disagreement with you personally is that it most certainly is a
race to the bottom.

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Jim