On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 8:20:21 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 16:54:39 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

Too right. If you aren't happy in a very well-paid, degree+ level job, there are lots of opportunities to work elsewhere, but you have to put effort in to find them. The MetO employees want life as cushy as they can make it. No-one in the general public gives two hoots whether they strike, or not. Why not try teaching? There's a nice easy life for a good mathematician, or scientist?

Most MetO employees wouldn't last a day.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation? There's some great minds in there.

As for a 'nice easy life' teaching those jobs are probably in the minority. A couple of teachers I know who, admittedly both in inner London schools, spend most lessons practising crowd control rather than actual teaching


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You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move..

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

Oh, I am mortally offended. :-) My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap. English wasn't even his first language but did have a degree in it at a time when they didn't give 'em away. Of course there none of the micromanagement there is now, or those pointless League Tables.

Tudor Hughes.

On Saturday, 23 January 2016 02:25:19 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap.

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

On Saturday, 23 January 2016 06:25:50 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 02:25:19 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap.

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

Bamboozled to buggery, I should think. He died in 1978, before global warming was invented. His Geography was more of a more descriptive kind.

Tudor Hughes

On Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:34:16 UTC, Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 06:25:50 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

Bamboozled to buggery, I should think. He died in 1978, before global warming was invented. His Geography was more of a more descriptive kind.

Hughes

Some 4 or 5 years before NASA realised the ozone was killing us -or not; as it turned out. The Americans love a fiasco to go with their Xenophobia. Don't go killing anyone until he shows us more colourful slides. (Then he's all yours.)

On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:13:17 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Garvey doesn't work for OFSTED, he sells schools preparations for their Stasi type visits

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

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