On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 00:40:17 +0000
Dave Cornwell wrote:

On 06/12/2016 13:13, Norman Lynagh wrote:

SNIP

Philip Eden was not respected in the MetO due to his constant sniping
from the sidelines.

Will
--

Nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism (a better term than
'sniping'!) provided it is justified, as Philip's almost always was. Until
relatively recently, no-one in the private sector was respected in the Met
Office. Times have changed.


I've a lot more respect for Philip Eden than the MetO (as an organisation
with their "Who needs people or actual observations when you have so much
computing power" attitude.) It was such a different and much more
approachable organisation back in the 20th century, often helpful even. I
even had people pop around to drop in satellite imagery in those pre
broadband days. That's not to say there aren't good people still working in
the MetO, but they are disappearing by the day.

Philip supplied me with so much historical data, as well as equipment &
friendship.

Graham
Penzance

I agree. Philip has always been very generous with his knowledge. Over the
years he must have spent hundreds of hours generating information for
'enthusiasts', all at no charge.


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Showed me a lot of hospitality when I met him. A wealth of information
and knowledge which he freely shared. It is sad that he is not well now.
He told me many years ago the reason why he left USW. I'll let you draw
your own inferences.
Dave

But why not come out and say it Dave? I hate it when people hide behind
inferences and such like, just be honest and say what you mean. Philip sneaked
away not saying a thing, that is not a good way to behave really and
ultimately can leave things undone. If there was something wrong that he didn't
like then he should have said so and then perhaps it could have been nipped in
the bud. Especially as it would have been the founder speaking up!

Will
--

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:22:33 AM UTC, wrote:
"Scott W" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 12:16:03 PM UTC, Graham Easterling wrote:
SNIP
V. cold Yr Normal Yr.
Penzance 2010 2016
MIN MAX MIN MAX
24/11 2.2 9.1 5.4 12.7
25/11 0.5 6.3 7.6 10.3
26/11 2.1 7.4 7.2 10.1
27/11 0.6 4.2 3.7 9.8
28/11 -4.3! 4.6 5.7 9.7
29/11 -3.8 3.3 3.4 8.0
30/11 -2.0 3.2 0.1 10.7
01/12 -0.6 3.1 1.3 11.5
02/12 -1.5 2.3 2.5 10.4
03/12 -3.0 6.1 7.3 9.7
04/12 -0.7 8.7 8.0 11.4 (at 09:00 today)
05/12 2.8 5.8 9.3 (13.0C looks likely)

Where are people like Lamb & Philip Eden to add a bit of historically
perspective when you need them?

..................................................

Well it was a cold month up here on Dartmoor (also in the SW). Hard
frozen
ground on quite a few days.

Nothing like a real cold month though, bore no relation to 2010 say.

And there has been a distinct lack of real rain,
just one wet day in November (with over 60mm).

But that's significantly more than your wettest day in Philip Hammond's
stormy Nov 2015, when your wettest day was 40.8mm according to my COL
database. The railway line was washed away this year, no such issues in
Nov. 2015.

My last really wet November was 2009 with 270mm. 2015 just 142.8mm

Philip Eden was not respected in the MetO due to his constant sniping
from the sidelines.

Will
--

I've a lot more respect for Philip Eden than the MetO (as an organisation
with their "Who needs people or actual observations when you have so much
computing power" attitude.) It was such a different and much more
approachable organisation back in the 20th century, often helpful even. I
even had people pop around to drop in satellite imagery in those pre
broadband days. That's not to say there aren't good people still working
in the MetO, but they are disappearing by the day.

Philip supplied me with so much historical data, as well as equipment &
friendship.


Philip Eden was always completely selfless with his time whenever I had,
mostly email, contact with him. My contact with the Met Office now is
erratic ; how helpful they are seems to depend on how sympathetic the
librarian is on the day. Sometimes you get the: "We can offer this service
for your climate stats needs..." the service cost is often out the reach of
amateurs.

Contrast this to an episode in the late 1980s when I was enquiring about
drawings for a Stevenson screen. I was put through to the woodwork
department (I think) - a very helpful gentleman, in an understandably
bemused tone, agreed to send me draughtsman quality drawings for a wooden
screen on the understanding that I would use them to produce only one screen
for my own use.
I somehow can't imagine that happening today.
============

Certainly not, screens are made out of UPVc nowadays. Wood is so 20th
Century. There was also no such thing as a woodwork depoartment, it was most
likely the Instrument Branch at Beaufort Park.

Well, whoever it was, I was very impressed with his understanding that he was probably helping a young lad develop his love of meteorology rather than a standard: "Contact Casella!"

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:33:07 -0800 (PST)
Scott W wrote:

On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:22:33 AM UTC,
wrote:
"Scott W" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 12:16:03 PM UTC, Graham Easterling wrote:
SNIP
V. cold Yr Normal Yr.
Penzance 2010 2016
MIN MAX MIN MAX
24/11 2.2 9.1 5.4 12.7
25/11 0.5 6.3 7.6 10.3
26/11 2.1 7.4 7.2 10.1
27/11 0.6 4.2 3.7 9.8
28/11 -4.3! 4.6 5.7 9.7
29/11 -3.8 3.3 3.4 8.0
30/11 -2.0 3.2 0.1 10.7
01/12 -0.6 3.1 1.3 11.5
02/12 -1.5 2.3 2.5 10.4
03/12 -3.0 6.1 7.3 9.7
04/12 -0.7 8.7 8.0 11.4 (at 09:00 today)
05/12 2.8 5.8 9.3 (13.0C looks likely)

Where are people like Lamb & Philip Eden to add a bit of historically
perspective when you need them?

..................................................

Well it was a cold month up here on Dartmoor (also in the SW). Hard
frozen
ground on quite a few days.

Nothing like a real cold month though, bore no relation to 2010 say.

And there has been a distinct lack of real rain,
just one wet day in November (with over 60mm).

But that's significantly more than your wettest day in Philip Hammond's
stormy Nov 2015, when your wettest day was 40.8mm according to my COL
database. The railway line was washed away this year, no such issues in
Nov. 2015.

My last really wet November was 2009 with 270mm. 2015 just 142.8mm

Philip Eden was not respected in the MetO due to his constant sniping
from the sidelines.

Will
--

I've a lot more respect for Philip Eden than the MetO (as an organisation
with their "Who needs people or actual observations when you have so much
computing power" attitude.) It was such a different and much more
approachable organisation back in the 20th century, often helpful even. I
even had people pop around to drop in satellite imagery in those pre
broadband days. That's not to say there aren't good people still working
in the MetO, but they are disappearing by the day.

Philip supplied me with so much historical data, as well as equipment &
friendship.


Philip Eden was always completely selfless with his time whenever I had,
mostly email, contact with him. My contact with the Met Office now is
erratic ; how helpful they are seems to depend on how sympathetic the
librarian is on the day. Sometimes you get the: "We can offer this service
for your climate stats needs..." the service cost is often out the reach of
amateurs.

Contrast this to an episode in the late 1980s when I was enquiring about
drawings for a Stevenson screen. I was put through to the woodwork
department (I think) - a very helpful gentleman, in an understandably
bemused tone, agreed to send me draughtsman quality drawings for a wooden
screen on the understanding that I would use them to produce only one
screen for my own use.
I somehow can't imagine that happening today.
============

Certainly not, screens are made out of UPVc nowadays. Wood is so 20th
Century. There was also no such thing as a woodwork depoartment, it was
most likely the Instrument Branch at Beaufort Park.

Well, whoever it was, I was very impressed with his understanding that he was
probably helping a young lad develop his love of meteorology rather than a
standard: "Contact Casella!"




Yep that's a nice story!