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Dawlish writes
On Jan 1, 3:11*pm, "Keith(Southend)"
wrote:
Col wrote:
"Will Hand" wrote in message
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Happy New year to you as well Paul!
The odds are increasing I'd say for the cold to last until the end of
February.
.....
if 62/63 is
impossible, how about a 78/79?
.....
. The last 15 years the winters have
been so mild we've forgotten what they were like. I still also feel our
warming planet may take most of the edge off it, even given the right
synoptics over the next two months, which is probably why I get so
frustrated as this *may* be the last real opportunity for *real* winter
down south. Only time will tell.
....
A difficult one Keith. If, as recent research is hinting at, the
winter polar vortex is actually showing more signs of shifting, or
splitting with changes in ice cover, it could, amazingly paradoxically
though it seems, be that a warming planet could allow colder winters
in the UK albeit for a short period of time. See what the analysis of
this winter, should it prove cold, shows.
......

I seem to recall that a year or five ago there was talk that the Gulf
Stream/Atlantic Conveyor might slow as a result of overall warming,
giving winters of greater severity for Britain. Usual comparison was
with the latitude of New York or Moscow or thereabouts. Could someone
enlarge on this, please?
--
Peter Thomas

On 2 Jan, 20:49, Peter Thomas
wrote:
In message
,
Dawlish writes



On Jan 1, 3:11*pm, "Keith(Southend)"
wrote:
Col wrote:
"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
Happy New year to you as well Paul!
The odds are increasing I'd say for the cold to last until the end of
February.
....
if 62/63 is
impossible, how about a 78/79?
....
. The last 15 years the winters have
been so mild we've forgotten what they were like. I still also feel our
warming planet may take most of the edge off it, even given the right
synoptics over the next two months, which is probably why I get so
frustrated as this *may* be the last real opportunity for *real* winter
down south. Only time will tell.
...
A difficult one Keith. If, as recent research is hinting at, *the
winter polar vortex is actually showing more signs of shifting, or
splitting with changes in ice cover, it could, amazingly paradoxically
though it seems, be that a warming planet could allow colder winters
in the UK albeit for a short period of time. See what the analysis of
this winter, should it prove cold, shows.

.....

I seem to recall that a year or five ago there was talk that the Gulf
Stream/Atlantic Conveyor might slow as a result of overall warming,
giving winters of greater severity for Britain. Usual comparison was
with the latitude of New York or Moscow or thereabouts. Could someone
enlarge on this, please?
--
Peter Thomas- Hide quoted text -

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Peter

I would say that New York and even more so Moscow have colder winters
due to being continental climates. We have a moderate climate due to
it being mostly maratime. However, some coastal areas of Canada have
much colder winters than the UK due to the lack of gulf stream
influence. I don't think this is why we are getting a cold spell this
winter as the sea temps are not so cold around the uk. YET!

Simon S (Normally in Arctic South Yorkshire)

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,
" writes:
I would say that New York and even more so Moscow have colder winters
due to being continental climates.

New York is on the coast, so I don't think one can really call it a
continental climate. Of course the big difference is that their
prevailing wind is offshore rather than onshore.

We have a moderate climate due to
it being mostly maratime. However, some coastal areas of Canada have
much colder winters than the UK due to the lack of gulf stream
influence.

Not only don't they have a warm current off shore, they have a cold one
coming down from the north (the Labrador current).

I don't think this is why we are getting a cold spell this
winter as the sea temps are not so cold around the uk. YET!

If this keeps up, I imagine that the North Sea and English Channel will
cool down quite quickly. But I can't see it having more than a marginal
effect on the North Atlantic.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Jan 2, 8:49*pm, Peter Thomas
wrote:
In message
,
Dawlish writes



On Jan 1, 3:11*pm, "Keith(Southend)"
wrote:
Col wrote:
"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
Happy New year to you as well Paul!
The odds are increasing I'd say for the cold to last until the end of
February.
....
if 62/63 is
impossible, how about a 78/79?
....
. The last 15 years the winters have
been so mild we've forgotten what they were like. I still also feel our
warming planet may take most of the edge off it, even given the right
synoptics over the next two months, which is probably why I get so
frustrated as this *may* be the last real opportunity for *real* winter
down south. Only time will tell.
...
A difficult one Keith. If, as recent research is hinting at, *the
winter polar vortex is actually showing more signs of shifting, or
splitting with changes in ice cover, it could, amazingly paradoxically
though it seems, be that a warming planet could allow colder winters
in the UK albeit for a short period of time. See what the analysis of
this winter, should it prove cold, shows.

.....

I seem to recall that a year or five ago there was talk that the Gulf
Stream/Atlantic Conveyor might slow as a result of overall warming,
giving winters of greater severity for Britain. Usual comparison was
with the latitude of New York or Moscow or thereabouts. Could someone
enlarge on this, please?
--
Peter Thomas- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's a theory Peter. It's happened before and it has happened quickly,
however, I'd put the odds of it happening in your lifetime as well
over 1000/1 i.e. not to be woried about.

Winters like the NE seabord of the USA would be quite something. I
used to work (3 summers) at a summer camp in Maine. Temps there
reached 100F on several occasions. The winters are a different matter
however. The Camp director headed up from Boston several times in the
winter to check things out. He told us of the previous winter when he
couldn't locate the individual bunks in the bunkline because of the
depth of snow. The height of the gable of each bunk was 14 feet!!
Quite incredible.