On 5 Nov, 11:05, Dawlish wrote:
On Nov 5, 10:41*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:





On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:

In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
* * * * * * like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
* * * * * * its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

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Could be Keith. On the gfs, pressure looks as if it could build at 5
days and remain high for a few days, but may begin to fall after T200.
The pressure in Berne (just for my stalker) may rise to 1025mb for a
while, but the high may well not persist. ( - for anyone else, I've
used it as a proxy criterion for measuring the persistence of a
European high before). The ECM shows no European high at this time
anyway. The chances of a European high building were low yesterday and
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Sounds like Mr Bartlett has left the room :-)

Keith (Southend)

On Nov 4, 10:52*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:


Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

I'm with you Will......

Lucky you Will! *))

On Nov 5, 10:41*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:



In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
* * * * * * like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
* * * * * * its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)

Or is it? A cold low is precisely what we had at that time last year.

Nick

On Nov 5, 9:51*am, John Hall wrote:
In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,

Agree 100% with that, snow and frost does much to dispel the deadness
of the darker months, though that said at the moment there are still
some leaves on the trees so it's not too bad.
On a brighter note, perhaps, the worst of the (evening) darkness comes
before the winter solstice. The sun will be going down the same time
as now (in Southampton) as early as January 18.

Nick

On Nov 5, 7:40*pm, Nick wrote:
On Nov 5, 9:51*am, John Hall wrote:

In article
,*Dawlis h writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me (others'
MMV).
--
John Hall *"[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,

Agree 100% with that, snow and frost does much to dispel the deadness
of the darker months, though that said at the moment there are still
some leaves on the trees so it's not too bad.
On a brighter note, perhaps, the worst of the (evening) darkness comes
before the winter solstice. The sun will be going down the same time
as now (in Southampton) as early as January 18.

Nick

Nothing terribly snowy on the current charts, but an awful lot of low
pressure out to T240. Wet and potentially windy at times. Showery
weather galore with the briefest of ridges to alleviate the November
dampness. So few November fogs these days, but that output wouldn't
produce a great deal of foggy weather anyway. We look to be stuck in a
rut of low pressures, with the jetstream digging south. It's hardly a
zonal train round the Northern limb of a European high, but it is
pretty damp and miserable output. The hope in those charts for cold
lovers is that the Russian high at T192+ begins to exert more of an
influence than is presently shown. I'd give that a much lower chance
than the extension of the Atlantic low pressure influence, but it's
always possible the charts could change within a day to show an
easterly.

A snowy week last winter does not make it a cold winter. I think overall it
was another mild one last winter.

Stan

"Nick" wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 10:41 am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:



In article
,
Dawlish writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me
(others'
MMV).
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into
steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then
resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning
Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)

Or is it? A cold low is precisely what we had at that time last year.

Nick

"Stan" wrote ...
A snowy week last winter does not make it a cold winter. I think
overall it was another mild one last winter.


.... For England & Wales, not quite! Depends a lot on the reference
period used, but relative to 1971-2000, then generally below, and for
the southwest, some places more than 1degC below-average as regards
temperatu-

http://www.metoffice.com/climate/uk/2009/winter.html

(see the DJF map of mean temperature anomaly)

Not quite so dramatic if you use the WMO CLIMAT normals though
(1961-1990)

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

Stan, last winter was cold (at least up here in Haytor).

Mean temp. anomalies:

Dec -1.7
Jan -1.3
Feb -0.5

Both maxes and mins in all months were below normal.

Plus 15 days out of 90 with snow on the ground, more higher up of course.
The warmest month (Feb) was also the snowiest (as it often is here).

I enjoyed the season immensely :-)

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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"Stan" wrote in message
...
A snowy week last winter does not make it a cold winter. I think overall it
was another mild one last winter.

Stan

"Nick" wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 10:41 am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:



In article
,
Dawlish writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every
extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me
(others'
MMV).
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into
steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then
resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning
Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)

Or is it? A cold low is precisely what we had at that time last year.

Nick

Could be me just being in Plymouth then. One day with a dusting (although I
did have a time not getting to Exeter when Holden Hill was snowed in closing
A38)

Stan

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
Stan, last winter was cold (at least up here in Haytor).

Mean temp. anomalies:

Dec -1.7
Jan -1.3
Feb -0.5

Both maxes and mins in all months were below normal.

Plus 15 days out of 90 with snow on the ground, more higher up of course.
The warmest month (Feb) was also the snowiest (as it often is here).

I enjoyed the season immensely :-)

Will (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
--

"Stan" wrote in message
...
A snowy week last winter does not make it a cold winter. I think overall
it was another mild one last winter.

Stan

"Nick" wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 10:41 am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 5 Nov, 09:51, John Hall wrote:



In article
,
Dawlish writes:
I love snow, but I hate extended cold. It just adds
to the darkness and makes winter even more of a season to be
survived
for me!

snip

But if you have snow on the ground (though of course not every
extended
cold spell gives you that), it does an awful lot to counteract that
darkness. It's just one of the delights of snowy weather for me
(others'
MMV).
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into
steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then
resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning
Place"

Looking at the 06hr gfs out put, the highs not hanging around, they
seem to be going for a cold low over the UK, quite usual for the 2nd
half of November, a precurser to a mild winter. (wait for the flack!)
Of course it will change again on the next run.

Keith (Southend)

Or is it? A cold low is precisely what we had at that time last year.

Nick

On 6 Nov, 09:48, "Will Hand" wrote:
Stan, last winter was cold (at least up here in Haytor).

Mean temp. anomalies:

Dec -1.7
Jan -1.3
Feb -0.5

With all due respect Will, your anomalies were below average, but
you're in an anomalous location......!

Richard