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I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here |
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On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote:
I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan |
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On 11/06/2018 19:16, N_Cook wrote:
On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote: I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan So it did presage what became Storm Hector. I've revisited the SST graphics of 1999,2008,2013,2014 storms that I selected my Atlantic sampling patches from. Slightly moved to reflect ,hopefully , the sistuation the week before rather than nearest NOAA output to the event. Also I'd arbitrarily decided to keep at least the longitude or the latitude ,fixed, between each of the 3 pairs of sample squares, for the consensus greatest range a week before those events, including Hector. |
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On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 8:52:38 AM UTC+1, N_Cook wrote:
On 11/06/2018 19:16, N_Cook wrote: On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote: I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan So it did presage what became Storm Hector. I've revisited the SST graphics of 1999,2008,2013,2014 storms that I selected my Atlantic sampling patches from. Slightly moved to reflect ,hopefully , the sistuation the week before rather than nearest NOAA output to the event. Also I'd arbitrarily decided to keep at least the longitude or the latitude ,fixed, between each of the 3 pairs of sample squares, for the consensus greatest range a week before those events, including Hector. Was Hector really that notable? THis was the view from where I was staying at Little Porth, Scilly early afternoon of 14th http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/14.html It had been breezy in the morning. At home in Penzance the maximum gust was 28mph. There was a 3m swell at Sevenstones, but it need to be twice that to be notable, even in summer. Even in northern England I can't see it was out of the ordinary. I know Ken reported a gale, but he does live in Copley! I would be interested to here if anyone found it really notable. If so, it was only a small part of the UK. Graham Penzance Penzance |
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On Saturday, 16 June 2018 09:37:15 UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote:
On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 8:52:38 AM UTC+1, N_Cook wrote: On 11/06/2018 19:16, N_Cook wrote: On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote: I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan So it did presage what became Storm Hector. I've revisited the SST graphics of 1999,2008,2013,2014 storms that I selected my Atlantic sampling patches from. Slightly moved to reflect ,hopefully , the sistuation the week before rather than nearest NOAA output to the event. Also I'd arbitrarily decided to keep at least the longitude or the latitude ,fixed, between each of the 3 pairs of sample squares, for the consensus greatest range a week before those events, including Hector.. Was Hector really that notable? THis was the view from where I was staying at Little Porth, Scilly early afternoon of 14th http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/14.html It had been breezy in the morning. At home in Penzance the maximum gust was 28mph. There was a 3m swell at Sevenstones, but it need to be twice that to be notable, even in summer. Even in northern England I can't see it was out of the ordinary. I know Ken reported a gale, but he does live in Copley! I would be interested to here if anyone found it really notable. If so, it was only a small part of the UK. Graham Penzance Penzance Graham here's my analysis on Storm Hector: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...te/gT3zjNjiGuk And if you want to see how windy it can get in June in the south look at this one: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...te/6nJZXHuYkOw |
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Graham Easterling wrote:
On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 8:52:38 AM UTC+1, N_Cook wrote: On 11/06/2018 19:16, N_Cook wrote: On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote: I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ication/253247 101_Storminess_and_Surges_in_the_South-Western_Approaches_Eastern_At lantic_the_Synoptic_Climatology_of_Recent_Extreme_ Coastal_Storms/lin ks/57975d4d08aec89db7b99f64/Storminess-and-Surges-in-the-South-Weste rn-Approaches-Eastern-Atlantic-the-Synoptic-Climatology-of-Recent-Ex treme-Coastal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...blication/2532 47101_Storminess_and_Surges_in_the_South-Western_Approaches_Easter n_Atlantic_the_Synoptic_Climatology_of_Recent_Extr eme_Coastal_Stor ms/links/57975d4d08aec89db7b99f64/Storminess-and-Surges-in-the-Sou th-Western-Approaches-Eastern-Atlantic-the-Synoptic-Climatology-of -Recent-Extreme-Coastal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan So it did presage what became Storm Hector. I've revisited the SST graphics of 1999,2008,2013,2014 storms that I selected my Atlantic sampling patches from. Slightly moved to reflect ,hopefully , the sistuation the week before rather than nearest NOAA output to the event. Also I'd arbitrarily decided to keep at least the longitude or the latitude ,fixed, between each of the 3 pairs of sample squares, for the consensus greatest range a week before those events, including Hector. Was Hector really that notable? THis was the view from where I was staying at Little Porth, Scilly early afternoon of 14th http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/14.html It had been breezy in the morning. At home in Penzance the maximum gust was 28mph. There was a 3m swell at Sevenstones, but it need to be twice that to be notable, even in summer. Even in northern England I can't see it was out of the ordinary. I know Ken reported a gale, but he does live in Copley! I would be interested to here if anyone found it really notable. If so, it was only a small part of the UK. Graham Penzance Penzance Nothing notable in Tideswell. -- Norman Lynagh Tideswell, Derbyshire 303m a.s.l. https://peakdistrictweather.org Twitter: @TideswellWeathr |
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On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 9:43:29 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, 16 June 2018 09:37:15 UTC+1, Graham Easterling wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 8:52:38 AM UTC+1, N_Cook wrote: On 11/06/2018 19:16, N_Cook wrote: On 08/06/2018 15:36, N_Cook wrote: I stopped processing the NOAA North Atlantic SST data http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ as it was dropping off in March, but it perked up on the 07 June 2018 output, to value 47.6. Yet unproven as to being of any worth in hinting at predicting likelihood of storminess in the English Channel and its approaches, but not disproven, seems to be now-casting rather than forecasting, so not much use prediction-wise. Exceptional warming around the UK (orange) relative to even more exceptional critical patch in the Grand Banks area (black) at the bottom of the scale for anomolous cooling, is the principal component for this storminess value , notional 100 as top . The previous month E-W component marginally positive also, offset by the current negative N-S component. Sea Surface Temp anomaly -storminess in the North Atlantic , and critical patches of the Atlantic ,after this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf previous values 2018 001 (year-day number), 43 (value) ,, Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 004,44 , 45 008,51, 011, 57, 015, 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 018,53, 022, 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan 025, 54, 029, 69, February 032 , 59, 036, 61, End of 2017 numbers processed but not included here A useful tool if the following pans out and the passing low 13-14 June ends up more powerful than current predictions are showing. latest 11 june 2018 output on http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/ and increased the anomaly gradient across the atlantic even further.. Using 3 pairs of selected Atlantic monitoring patches , W-E, N-S and (prior month) E-W, ala this paper https://www.researchgate.net/profile...tal-Storms.pdf giving the set of values below, the latest such summation factor is up from 47 (07 June 2018) to 60 (11 June 2018) , to about Storm Dylan rating 2017 66 : (NHC) Hurricane Ophelia 58 Storm Brian 55 : TS Rina 47 : putative NHC TD/TS 20, dissipated before UK 54: Storm Caroline affecting Scotland, 58 : no named storm but 90mph gusts in the English Channel with a 971mB low 59 no named storm, very localised force 9 westerlies for Ireland on 14 Dec 62, Storm Dylan 30-31 Dec 2017 2018 43 Storm Eleanor 02-03 Jan 2018 55, snowstorm 16-17 Jan Storm Fionn + Storm with no name,tropospheric baroclinic wave and associated fast moving surface low, and violent storm force 11 in sea area Thames 18 Jan 2018 52 , Storm Georgina 23 Jan So it did presage what became Storm Hector. I've revisited the SST graphics of 1999,2008,2013,2014 storms that I selected my Atlantic sampling patches from. Slightly moved to reflect ,hopefully , the sistuation the week before rather than nearest NOAA output to the event. Also I'd arbitrarily decided to keep at least the longitude or the latitude ,fixed, between each of the 3 pairs of sample squares, for the consensus greatest range a week before those events, including Hector. Was Hector really that notable? THis was the view from where I was staying at Little Porth, Scilly early afternoon of 14th http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/14.html It had been breezy in the morning. At home in Penzance the maximum gust was 28mph. There was a 3m swell at Sevenstones, but it need to be twice that to be notable, even in summer. Even in northern England I can't see it was out of the ordinary. I know Ken reported a gale, but he does live in Copley! I would be interested to here if anyone found it really notable. If so, it was only a small part of the UK. Graham Penzance Penzance Graham here's my analysis on Storm Hector: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...te/gT3zjNjiGuk And if you want to see how windy it can get in June in the south look at this one: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...te/6nJZXHuYkOw Thanks Bruce. I know John Chappells Lands End site has recorded 70mph in JUne, 80mph for the Fastnet Race disaster. This time just a bit blustery. Here in Penzance 20 Junes since 1991 have seen stronger gusts. All the warnings certainly put the wind up the sailors on Scilly, so it made it nice & quiet for our final day walking the beaches. Graham Penzance |
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