MetO voting again on industrial action
 

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:41:25 AM UTC, wrote:
Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Militant meteorologists eh? Does this mean we won't get any weather during the time they are on strike? 🤔

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On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 11:41:25 UTC, wrote:
Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

Come Friendly Strike on Exit Door
You know you want to, that's what its for
And when in time those in are out
You'll see delivered 100% clout
Whilst management with balding head
Will drink more tea nor wish you dead.
But let you all do as you wish
For the forecast here be dawlish

He's getting warm.
Is he there yet?

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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

Too right. If you aren't happy in a very well-paid, degree+ level job, there are lots of opportunities to work elsewhere, but you have to put effort in to find them. The MetO employees want life as cushy as they can make it. No-one in the general public gives two hoots whether they strike, or not. Why not try teaching? There's a nice easy life for a good mathematician, or scientist?

Most MetO employees wouldn't last a day.

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 16:54:39 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

Too right. If you aren't happy in a very well-paid, degree+ level job, there are lots of opportunities to work elsewhere, but you have to put effort in to find them. The MetO employees want life as cushy as they can make it.. No-one in the general public gives two hoots whether they strike, or not. Why not try teaching? There's a nice easy life for a good mathematician, or scientist?

Most MetO employees wouldn't last a day.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation? There's some great minds in there.

As for a 'nice easy life' teaching those jobs are probably in the minority. A couple of teachers I know who, admittedly both in inner London schools, spend most lessons practising crowd control rather than actual teaching


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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 8:20:21 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 16:54:39 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

Too right. If you aren't happy in a very well-paid, degree+ level job, there are lots of opportunities to work elsewhere, but you have to put effort in to find them. The MetO employees want life as cushy as they can make it. No-one in the general public gives two hoots whether they strike, or not. Why not try teaching? There's a nice easy life for a good mathematician, or scientist?

Most MetO employees wouldn't last a day.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation? There's some great minds in there.

As for a 'nice easy life' teaching those jobs are probably in the minority. A couple of teachers I know who, admittedly both in inner London schools, spend most lessons practising crowd control rather than actual teaching


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You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

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On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 8:20:21 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 16:54:39 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 11:41:19 -0000, "Eskimo Will"
wrote:

Ballot papers are going out now.
Seems they are taking a lead from the doctors.
Members are being asked to vote on the following escalating action:
1. A three-hour walkout with some exceptions for critical staff

2. A three-hour walkout with no exceptions

3. A 24-hour stoppage with no exceptions

That's the first time I have seen "no exceptions" in a proposal.
Could be interesting as the mood is militant. In fact I have never seen such
anger amongst my former colleagues, who I still meet occasionally. The main
concerns are lack of progress on many geneder equal pay issues (yes some
women still get less pay for equal work and equal length of service -
unbelievable), falling pay levels compared to similar jobs outside and an
absolutely appalling internal progression system. Some staff who have been
at the MetO 10 years are still deemed to be "in development zone" even when
they are contributing a lot. Also the government still maintains that the
MetO is the "jewel in the UK crown of science", then if that's the case, pay
them appropriately Cameron, you tosser.

Will

The strikes might push some customers towards other providers :-)

Anyone who isn't happy with their lot in the Met Office is free to go elsewhere.
It's what I did 49 years ago and never retretted the decision. There's far more
opportunities today than there were when I jumped ship.

Too right. If you aren't happy in a very well-paid, degree+ level job, there are lots of opportunities to work elsewhere, but you have to put effort in to find them. The MetO employees want life as cushy as they can make it. No-one in the general public gives two hoots whether they strike, or not. Why not try teaching? There's a nice easy life for a good mathematician, or scientist?

Most MetO employees wouldn't last a day.

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation? There's some great minds in there..

As for a 'nice easy life' teaching those jobs are probably in the minority. A couple of teachers I know who, admittedly both in inner London schools, spend most lessons practising crowd control rather than actual teaching


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You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Is that why you failed ?

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:13:17 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Garvey doesn't work for OFSTED, he sells schools preparations for their Stasi type visits

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On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move..

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

Oh, I am mortally offended. :-) My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap. English wasn't even his first language but did have a degree in it at a time when they didn't give 'em away. Of course there none of the micromanagement there is now, or those pointless League Tables.

Tudor Hughes.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 02:25:19 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap.

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

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Role pay, chickens, roost?

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On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

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On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

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On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling.......

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 06:25:50 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 02:25:19 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 22:18:10 UTC, Metman2012 wrote:
On 22/01/2016 22:13, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

Wasn't there an old joke - those that can. do; those that can't, teach;
those that can't teach, become head teachers. I suppose you can add that
those who can't become head teachers, become Ofsted Inspectors (based on
a population of one).

My Dad was a teacher (Geography, English) and rose to become Deputy Head so he must have been really crap.

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

Bamboozled to buggery, I should think. He died in 1978, before global warming was invented. His Geography was more of a more descriptive kind.

Tudor Hughes

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 08:57:19 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

Call me hughes again and I'll rip your ****ing head off and **** down your throat. You get the gist.

Tudor Hughes

Tudor Hughes.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 19:34:16 UTC, Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 06:25:50 UTC, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Does that mean he would have been easily bamboozled by news such as this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

Or free to think for himself?
Or is it impossible to say?

Bamboozled to buggery, I should think. He died in 1978, before global warming was invented. His Geography was more of a more descriptive kind.

Hughes

Some 4 or 5 years before NASA realised the ozone was killing us -or not; as it turned out. The Americans love a fiasco to go with their Xenophobia. Don't go killing anyone until he shows us more colourful slides. (Then he's all yours.)

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:01:45 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling.......

No, hughes is going to step in and call you a pompous patronising arrogant ****er. Paul ****ing Garvey, **** of the decade, destroyer of forums, at least those unable to sluice him out. Meteorological dilettante out of his depth. Friendless phony. Bull****ter of the first order. You're in the right job, aren't you, ****-face? I've never seen such an avalanche of waffle.
I've got other places to go but you haven't, have you, you ill-mannered ****? Ever thought why, thunder****? (I am indebted to a USW member for this splendid epithet, le mot juste).
If these discussions took place in real life you'd tone it down quite a lot, I reckon, or you'd be in A&E in no time, you ****ty little coward. But no big fist is going to come shooting out of a screen, is it, worm?
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong with him, he's just a complete ****.

Tudor Hughes.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 20:29:54 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:01:45 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

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Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling......

No, hughes is going to step in and call you a pompous patronising arrogant ****er. Paul ****ing Garvey, **** of the decade, destroyer of forums, at least those unable to sluice him out. Meteorological dilettante out of his depth. Friendless phony. Bull****ter of the first order. You're in the right job, aren't you, ****-face? I've never seen such an avalanche of waffle.
I've got other places to go but you haven't, have you, you ill-mannered ****? Ever thought why, thunder****? (I am indebted to a USW member for this splendid epithet, le mot juste).
If these discussions took place in real life you'd tone it down quite a lot, I reckon, or you'd be in A&E in no time, you ****ty little coward. But no big fist is going to come shooting out of a screen, is it, worm?
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong with him, he's just a complete ****.

Tudor Hughes.



Bloody hell Tudor, steady on with the "worm " stuff, tad strong that.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 20:29:54 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:01:45 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling......

No, hughes is going to step in and call you a pompous patronising arrogant ****er. Paul ****ing Garvey, **** of the decade, destroyer of forums, at least those unable to sluice him out. Meteorological dilettante out of his depth. Friendless phony. Bull****ter of the first order. You're in the right job, aren't you, ****-face? I've never seen such an avalanche of waffle.
I've got other places to go but you haven't, have you, you ill-mannered ****? Ever thought why, thunder****? (I am indebted to a USW member for this splendid epithet, le mot juste).
If these discussions took place in real life you'd tone it down quite a lot, I reckon, or you'd be in A&E in no time, you ****ty little coward. But no big fist is going to come shooting out of a screen, is it, worm?
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong with him, he's just a complete ****.

Tudor Hughes.

Wow! Time for an early night, these upsets all seem to occur around this time for some reason. Not enough sunlight maybe?

what I would suggest for the future is that if you can't refrain then just sock puppet him with old posts and idiocies. I am sure that you can find a few meteorological thought inflictors that will upset him if you craft them insincerely enough.

That way we can all have a laugh and turn the tide a little. But I would suggest you spend a few days down the pub rather than in front of the computer in case you do do something silly.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 08:57:19 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

My daughter now teaches history at secondary level and after the Christmas break she wasn't looking forward to going back.


Years ago teachers just taught and there were good inspirational teachers, mediocre teachers and just plain nasty bits of work, but overall we went to school to be taught and therefore behaved ourselves and teacher never has a target on their back where all the ills and indiscipline of modern society were are laid squarely on their backs , as if they are to blame.

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dawlish Wrote in message:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

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Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you!
Having done both, I disagree.

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:01:45 UTC, dawlish wrote:

The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public

Are you trying to compare yourself to the Met Office?

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On Saturday, 23 January 2016 20:42:50 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 20:29:54 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 13:01:45 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days..

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling......

No, hughes is going to step in and call you a pompous patronising arrogant ****er. Paul ****ing Garvey, **** of the decade, destroyer of forums, at least those unable to sluice him out. Meteorological dilettante out of his depth. Friendless phony. Bull****ter of the first order. You're in the right job, aren't you, ****-face? I've never seen such an avalanche of waffle.
I've got other places to go but you haven't, have you, you ill-mannered ****? Ever thought why, thunder****? (I am indebted to a USW member for this splendid epithet, le mot juste).
If these discussions took place in real life you'd tone it down quite a lot, I reckon, or you'd be in A&E in no time, you ****ty little coward. But no big fist is going to come shooting out of a screen, is it, worm?
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong with him, he's just a complete ****.

Tudor Hughes.



Bloody hell Tudor, steady on with the "worm " stuff, tad strong that.

Yeah, I'd run out of rude words as you do with people like Dawlish. What about reptile? Skunk? Bacterium? Or simply monster.

Tudor Hughes.

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On 23/01/2016 13:01, dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 11:27:58 AM UTC, Col wrote:
On 23/01/2016 08:57, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them.......but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

How patronising!
Isn't meteorology 'an amazingly complex and difficult job'?
This is bourne out by how few times you dare to forecast at 10 days.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

I am sure they do analyse them, just don't makethe results freely available.

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

Twice in a day, eh?
Naughty Col!

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling......

I disagree with you and that makes me upset?
What astrange thing to say.

--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

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On 23/01/2016 20:29, Tudor Hughes wrote:


Patronising, but absolutely spot on. The MetO do not issue a forecast at 10 days for the general public, apart from a 6-15 day forecast, which is bland and general. Neither do they analyse any of their 6-15 day forecasts, so we have no idea of their accuracy. I think that actually puts me ahead in that one respect, don't you?

Meteorology, is in no way as difficult as teaching, I can assure you! Again, you are conflating two completely different things. Twice in a day.

You are upset. Calm down and think before you post, Col. 🤔🤔 I'm sure mitchell will step in here and criticise your spelling......

No, hughes is going to step in and call you a pompous patronising arrogant ****er. Paul ****ing Garvey, **** of the decade, destroyer of forums, at least those unable to sluice him out. Meteorological dilettante out of his depth. Friendless phony. Bull****ter of the first order. You're in the right job, aren't you, ****-face? I've never seen such an avalanche of waffle.
I've got other places to go but you haven't, have you, you ill-mannered ****? Ever thought why, thunder****? (I am indebted to a USW member for this splendid epithet, le mot juste).
If these discussions took place in real life you'd tone it down quite a lot, I reckon, or you'd be in A&E in no time, you ****ty little coward. But no big fist is going to come shooting out of a screen, is it, worm?
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong with him, he's just a complete ****.

'Thunder****'.
Now that did make me laugh.

You do realise that this post is going into his file entitled 'all the
horrible things people have called me', don't you?

It's quite a big file, apparently.....


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:29:53 -0800 (PST), Tudor Hughes wrote:

a particularly stupid rant full of childish swearing and name calling, which adds nothing
to the debate but says a lot about "hughes" himself.

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Just so I know the facts. What is the salary range of a degree qualified employee at the Met Office? How do they compare with the salaries at say the ECMWF?

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On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 7:45:02 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Saturday, 23 January 2016 08:57:19 UTC, dawlish wrote:
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 10:13:17 PM UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Friday, 22 January 2016 20:35:20 UTC, dawlish wrote:

You missed my irony, Scott. Teaching is an incredibly difficult job, beyond most in the MetO.

Especially with some ******* from OFSTED watching your every move.

Tudor Hughes.

You can never control your mouth, can you, hughes?

Inspection is necessary, to get the best deal possible for kids, but teaching is an amazingly complex and difficult job; as I said, far beyond most in the MetO. However, the pay may be comparable to teachers, after 10 years in the job, so why don't the MetO strikers who've decided decided their lot is not good enough, leave and re-train as maths and science teachers? If they are good enough, the teaching profession would love to have them........but they would have to be good enough. Pay teachers more; they do an incredible job, as do junior doctors in the NHS.

Call me hughes again and I'll rip your ****ing head off and **** down your throat. You get the gist.

Tudor Hughes

Tudor Hughes.

Another one for the archive hughes. Plus your next post. I suspect alcohol, but, of course, that can't be proved. I also suspect a very, very, angry old man who has been prone to some many similarly difficult outbursts in real life. No-one has done anything bad enough to provoke those outbursts. After the first, you were still fuming, weren't you, so you had to go back to your computer and type another. I doubt you slept well.

You aren't, of course, capable of an apology, I suppose? It would be a shame if you can't. After those posts, you should leave this group and not return.

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People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong
with him, he's just a
complete ****.
Tudor Hughes.

Tudor, would you please reflect on the following. I find the use
of a part of my (female) anatomy as the ultimate pejorative
epithet for an unpleasant (male) individual deeply offensive.

Please don't use it again.

Thank you.

Anne

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On Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:34:56 UTC, Anne B wrote:
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong
with him, he's just a
complete ****.
Tudor Hughes.

Tudor, would you please reflect on the following. I find the use
of a part of my (female) anatomy as the ultimate pejorative
epithet for an unpleasant (male) individual deeply offensive.

Please don't use it again.

Evidently a missdirctile. But assigning the genital a majority would incorporate some nascent potency the neuter is not pejorative enough for.

Allow me to apologise on his behalf as his response mechanism is still in overdrive and may be so for a few days.

The problem is that in the era before the Internet we would all know the history of people that a community would shelter or hose them away from the daily grind.

It happens now and again that one slips through the net. Someone taught him craftiness and invention of alibi alternate addresses. And we tend to lose track of what is going on since most of us never bother inventing more than one of ourselves.

I think that you are perfectly aware of this. But when tempers falre it is easy to get caught up. Dawlish by his ability or lack thereof, is able to remain his usual self though all this; for it is his norm. I don't know whether he is just responding to petty spite but pettiness does appear to be all he has for marbles.

He doesn't have the acuity to realise that his alta-egos should behave in a slightly different manner to him. I assume that that's because he just doesn't know how.

But you are right, swearing at him has no effect and is best not engaged in, it offends all the wrong people. And he has given a fool a weapon to troll with. Silly.

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"Alan [Guildford]" wrote in message
...
Just so I know the facts. What is the salary range of a degree qualified
employee at the Met Office? How do they compare with the salaries at say
the ECMWF?

Nearly all MetO employees are degree qualified. The median salary is £30K.
It will be double that in ECMWF.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Sunday, 24 January 2016 16:38:47 UTC, wrote:

Nearly all MetO employees are degree qualified. The median salary is £30K.
It will be double that in ECMWF.

I wonder if that is why they're seen as the world leaders - i.e. attract the best by paying them well (and the tax benefits as well as the salary)?

That's not meant to be inflammatory by the way (unlike most of the newsgroup in the last 72 hours).

Richard

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On Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:34:56 UTC, Anne B wrote:
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong
with him, he's just a
complete ****.
Tudor Hughes.

Tudor, would you please reflect on the following. I find the use
of a part of my (female) anatomy as the ultimate pejorative
epithet for an unpleasant (male) individual deeply offensive.

Please don't use it again.

Thank you.

Anne

Can I call him a prick, then? Or a knobhead? A dickhead? A bell-end? A cock? Can I say he talks ********? I once had a girl-friend who called me the c-word. Vaginas had nothing to do with it - there'd been a row to end all rows. I'm sorry if you were offended but these are epithets and only coincidentally body parts - that's our culture. Other languages and cultures have different things to swear on.

Tudor Hughes.

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On Sunday, 24 January 2016 19:58:02 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Sunday, 24 January 2016 10:34:56 UTC, Anne B wrote:
People often ask "what's the matter with him". Nothing wrong
with him, he's just a
complete ****.
Tudor Hughes.

Tudor, would you please reflect on the following. I find the use
of a part of my (female) anatomy as the ultimate pejorative
epithet for an unpleasant (male) individual deeply offensive.

Please don't use it again.

Thank you.

Anne

Can I call him a prick, then? Or a knobhead? A dickhead? A bell-end? A cock? Can I say he talks ********? I once had a girl-friend who called me the c-word. Vaginas had nothing to do with it - there'd been a row to end all rows. I'm sorry if you were offended but these are epithets and only coincidentally body parts - that's our culture. Other languages and cultures have different things to swear on.

The point is, he won't believe you. Can't you see it hits him like water under a duck?

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On Sunday, 24 January 2016 16:38:47 UTC, wrote:
"Alan [Guildford]" wrote in message
...
Just so I know the facts. What is the salary range of a degree qualified
employee at the Met Office? How do they compare with the salaries at say
the ECMWF?

Nearly all MetO employees are degree qualified. The median salary is £30K.
It will be double that in ECMWF.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Will, thanks for the clarification, I did suspect as much. I certainly would not describe that kind of salary level as a "well-paid, degree+ level job".

That does sound low for a person with a science based degree, even outside the South East. I work in the Software industry, and someone at mid-career level could easily expect to get 45K+.

Best of luck to them with their industrial action.

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I'm sorry if you were offended but these are epithets and
only coincidentally body parts - that's our culture.
Tudor Hughes

I am not sure that either 'culture' or 'coincidentally' is an
appropriate term in this context. It is not cultured behaviour
to use a word in such a way that it is offensive not only to the
individual to whom it is applied, but also to many other people.

Call him and his fellows anything you like that doesn't use the
names of female body parts as an insult to a male. You have ably
demonstrated that there is an ample supply of such alternative
words.

Anne




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