On Monday, 4 January 2016 17:11:47 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes

Blimey , oh well, I suppose its best to get disappointed now instead of
bloody waiting for it. :-(



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2881.gif

The 12Z is now up. It's unremarkable at T+288 and I'd guess very
different from the 06Z that you presumably saw.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones



Here we are John


http://expert-images.weatheronline.c...11606_0406.gif


Richard showed me the sacred place where the most outrageous charts are saved until eternity or the next ice age . Mind you if it is the next ice age , then we will all be hankering for the current dross that we are so ungrateful for at the moment, by then it would be the 'good old days'.

In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
On Monday, 4 January 2016 17:11:47 UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes

Blimey , oh well, I suppose its best to get disappointed now instead of
bloody waiting for it. :-(



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2881.gif

The 12Z is now up. It's unremarkable at T+288 and I'd guess very
different from the 06Z that you presumably saw.

Here we are John


http://expert-images.weatheronline.c.../en/2016/01/04
/basis06/euro/prec/16011606_0406.gif


Richard showed me the sacred place where the most outrageous charts are
saved until eternity or the next ice age .

Yes, I had a look when Richard posted that link here.

Mind you if it is the next ice age , then we will all be hankering for
the current dross that we are so ungrateful for at the moment, by then
it would be the 'good old days'.



Anyway, though the GFS 12Z operational run may look unremarkable at
T+288, the GFS ensemble and the ECM operational run and ensemble look
much more encouraging for cold-weather lovers from about 8-9 days out.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones

There has for some time now been a bit of a trend towards a change
around that date. The GFS ensembles now show a majority trend for
something colder around the 14th on as does the latest ECM run. 10 days
is a long time but it could be the first little cold snap of the winter
for us soft southerners.
Dave, S.Essex
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Anyway, though the GFS 12Z operational run may look unremarkable at
T+288, the GFS ensemble and the ECM operational run and ensemble look
much more encouraging for cold-weather lovers from about 8-9 days out.
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...... with the added weight of two of us saying it on here ;-)
Dave

On Monday, 4 January 2016 20:41:54 UTC, John Hall wrote:

Richard showed me the sacred place where the most outrageous charts are
saved until eternity or the next ice age .

Yes, I had a look when Richard posted that link here.

I realise everyone has their "go-to" favourites but I do like WeatherOnline and it's "everyone in one place"-ness.

It's not perfect (i.e. they've dropped the UKMO output as it's so unreliable) but there's a lot of interesting diagnostic stuff in there and they continue to improve it. They're even daft enough to include the occasional suggestion from me.

Richard

In message , Dave Cornwell
writes
There has for some time now been a bit of a trend towards a change
around that date. The GFS ensembles now show a majority trend for
something colder around the 14th on as does the latest ECM run. 10 days
is a long time but it could be the first little cold snap of the
winter for us soft southerners.
Dave, S.Essex
---------------------------------------------------------

Anyway, though the GFS 12Z operational run may look unremarkable at
T+288, the GFS ensemble and the ECM operational run and ensemble look
much more encouraging for cold-weather lovers from about 8-9 days out.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
..... with the added weight of two of us saying it on here ;-)
Dave


Yep.

The GFS operational run seems keen to keep the cold snap brief, but some
ensemble members are more keen.
--
John Hall
"Honest criticism is hard to take,
particularly from a relative, a friend,
an acquaintance, or a stranger." Franklin P Jones