They explain why as well -ever the experts
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...PvQXQqFrDGDPtQ

On 04/07/12 17:46, Lawrence13 wrote:

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...PvQXQqFrDGDPtQ

It's been discussed countless times on here. The horse is dead, stop
flogging it.

On Jul 4, 10:02*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 04/07/12 17:46, Lawrence13 wrote:



Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...ov.uk/media/pd...

It's been discussed countless times on here. The horse is dead, stop
flogging it.

Hey I only linked what was on their web site, but please point to me
where this has been discussed and can you also piont out where UKMO
with all their fantastic super models accepted their latest banana
skin. Should they not be putting out a yellow warning at least......
seems like they should heed their own advice.

A Severe banana skin warning has been issued vulnerable people and the
Met Office should take action.

On Jul 4, 10:16*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:02*pm, Adam Lea wrote:

On 04/07/12 17:46, Lawrence13 wrote:

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...ov.uk/media/pd...

It's been discussed countless times on here. The horse is dead, stop
flogging it.

Hey I only linked what was on their web site, but please point to me
where this has been discussed and can you also piont out where UKMO
with all their fantastic super models accepted their latest banana
skin. Should *they not be putting out a yellow warning at least......
seems like they should heed their own advice.

A Severe banana skin warning has been issued vulnerable people and the
Met Office should take action.

Wettest June in 100 years?. Bristol smashes that record by a
considerable margin. http://www.afour.demon.co.uk/weather/weather1.htm

Lawrence13 scrive:

They explain why as well -ever the experts
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt....uk/media/pdf/
p/i/A3-layout-precip-AMJ.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHNJEvpfmmpOmi4PvQXQqFrDGDPtQ

It was the fourth wettest, and the third driest, June in my brief record.
I cannot comment on '09, '10, and '11.

Based on the first six months, this is the driest year in my record.

Just for comparison. Not ALL of the UK was wet.

--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

buchan-meteo.org.uk

On 04/07/12 22:16, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:02 pm, Adam wrote:
On 04/07/12 17:46, Lawrence13 wrote:



Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...ov.uk/media/pd...

It's been discussed countless times on here. The horse is dead, stop
flogging it.

Hey I only linked what was on their web site, but please point to me
where this has been discussed and can you also piont out where UKMO
with all their fantastic super models accepted their latest banana
skin. Should they not be putting out a yellow warning at least......
seems like they should heed their own advice.

A Severe banana skin warning has been issued vulnerable people and the
Met Office should take action.

Seasonal forecasting skill and the lack of it has been discussed many
times. I don't see why you have to keep using them as an assassination
attempt on the Met Offices credibility.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...85b1ddafcf306c

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...c5953066bc3009

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...bf8fdec352cda8

On Jul 5, 11:54*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 04/07/12 22:16, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Jul 4, 10:02 pm, Adam *wrote:
On 04/07/12 17:46, Lawrence13 wrote:

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt...ov.uk/media/pd...

It's been discussed countless times on here. The horse is dead, stop
flogging it.

Hey I only linked what was on their web site, but please point to me
where this has been discussed and can you also piont out where UKMO
with all their fantastic super models accepted their latest banana
skin. Should *they not be putting out a yellow warning at least......
seems like they should heed their own advice.

A Severe banana skin warning has been issued vulnerable people and the
Met Office should take action.

Seasonal forecasting skill and the lack of it has been discussed many
times. I don't see why you have to keep using them as an assassination
attempt on the Met Offices credibility.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...m/thread/b8fa9...

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...m/thread/9143d...

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...read/ba22e...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't understand what you are getting at Adam You link three threads
from 2002, 2009 and 2011 and suggest that any further criticism is non
valid? Why?

My attitude is simply this: The MetO is given the AGW line from the
top downwards and as a consequence the narrative is always dangerous
climate with extremes always being proof of this -hence only several
months ago on the back of a wailing and a gnashing about drought which
most off by the way totally down to massive water loss and a
burgeoning increasing population due to no immigration control policy
and UKMO are on it faster than the proverbial rat up a drainpipe
warning of worse to come (its AGW you know) But this is compounded by
a faux pas of monumental proportions when only 7 (yes seven day ) of
issuing a rainfall forecast for the months of April, May and June in
which *ALL* were predicted to be lower than average rainfall with June
being the driest and all that was run on the super computer they keep
bragging about. Their 7 day ahead forecast was a farce , a public
relations nightmare as the heavens opened up on the 7th day.

Now are you suggesting Adam that UKMO should get a free pass on this ,
that they should be untouchable for ever more because you've found
three threads where UKMO have been the subject matter. No one shrugs
a shoulder at any criticism of people like Piers Corbyn-who by the way
is funded whether you like it or not by taxes; yet some feel UKMO
should be allowed to make exaggerated forecasts with the ludicrous
warning system and long range efforts that are designed to spin AGW.

By the way there's a 'crimson puddle warning ' now out . People have
been advised to be aware of potential puddle splashing and have been
advised to keep socks and trouser hems indoors and listen to their
radios for further advice. If trapped by dangerous puddle please
remove shoes , socks and roll up trouser legs

Adam I have to ask: are you a UKMO employee?

On Jul 5, 2:32*pm, Buchan Meteo wrote:
Lawrence13 scrive:

They explain why as well -ever the experts
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

Pity they can't explain this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=htt....uk/media/pdf/

p/i/A3-layout-precip-AMJ.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHNJEvpfmmpOmi4PvQXQqFrDGDPtQ

It was the fourth wettest, and the third driest, June in my brief record.
I cannot comment on '09, '10, and '11.

Based on the first six months, this is the driest year in my record.

Just for comparison. Not ALL of the UK was wet.

--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

buchan-meteo.org.uk

Good point Gianna

More hyperbole from UKMO as that's the headline from their website
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

"Lawrence13" wrote:

My attitude is simply this: The MetO is given the AGW line from the
top downwards and as a consequence the narrative is always dangerous
climate with extremes always being proof of this -hence only several
months ago on the back of a wailing and a gnashing about drought which
most off by the way totally down to massive water loss and a
burgeoning increasing population due to no immigration control policy
and UKMO are on it faster than the proverbial rat up a drainpipe
warning of worse to come (its AGW you know) But this is compounded by
a faux pas of monumental proportions when only 7 (yes seven day ) of
issuing a rainfall forecast for the months of April, May and June in
which *ALL* were predicted to be lower than average rainfall with June
being the driest and all that was run on the super computer they keep
bragging about. Their 7 day ahead forecast was a farce , a public
relations nightmare as the heavens opened up on the 7th day.

Any forecaster is going to have a less-than-perfect record, and the longer
range forecasts are inevitably (I would have thought) going to be less
reliable. What matters is who has the best record for accurate forecasting
over a long period of time - years to decades. Has anyone done that
analysis? Without that, all you're really giving us is confirmation bias.

On Jul 6, 12:14*pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
My attitude is simply this: The MetO is given the AGW line from the
top downwards and as a consequence the narrative is always dangerous
climate with extremes always being proof of this -hence only several
months ago on the back of a wailing and a gnashing about drought which
most off by the way totally down to massive water loss and a
burgeoning increasing population due to no immigration control policy
and UKMO are on it faster than the proverbial rat up a drainpipe
warning of worse to come (its AGW you know) But this is compounded by
a faux pas of monumental proportions when only 7 (yes seven day ) of
issuing a rainfall forecast for the months of April, May and June in
which *ALL* were predicted to be lower than average rainfall with June
being the driest and all that was run on the super computer they keep
bragging about. *Their 7 day ahead forecast was a farce , a public
relations nightmare as the heavens opened up on the 7th day.

Any forecaster is going to have a less-than-perfect record, and the longer
range forecasts are inevitably (I would have thought) going to be less
reliable. *What matters is who has the best record for accurate forecasting
over a long period of time - years to decades. *Has anyone done that
analysis? *Without that, all you're really giving us is confirmation bias.

However not every forecaster is paid regardless, has access to a super
duper computer, goes on about a AGW with an almost religious fervour
and yet gets it continuously wrong without any acknowledgment of the
fact and still carries on banging away like nothing's happened.

You see I don't expect them to reasonably predict three months ahead ,
no one really can, but they keep doing it none-the-less.

No doubt there is some kind of 'mission statement' they have to adhere
to as well as the AGW stuff. You only have to look at the weather
warnings which in eagerness to please and cover their backsides they
always over egg that weather pudding and imo make themselves look
foolish and open for ridicule.

The met Office of years ago just got on with the weather , they were
always understated and gave very sober objective assessments with no
spin needed, now of course if there's a chance of a localised flooding
everyone is warned in a blanket approach apocalyptic style.

I put it all down to

The last Labour Government using UKMO for spin on AGW and the Health
Services and probably active recruitment of people with an AGW, H&S
and political opportunists agendas.

Now it seems rotten with sound bites, sensationalism , purpose of
duty, working with the NHS and other "Agencies" etc, It's all ********
and they should try and get back to doing what they used to do,
predicting weather as best as they could within reasonable time frames
without the party line spin.