But Will haven't recent years suggested:

Ice in November to support a duck. December will be slush and muck.


No always!

I remember November 1969, very wet, rather cold and at times quite snowy, we
then had a very snow December, snowy January and a very snowy February to
follow!
So you never know

Graham (Staffs)

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...
Will Hand wrote:

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...
On Nov 20, 11:22 am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"santiago" wrote in message

...

a bleak outlook for zonality and pressure in berne

getting the anti-freeze and salt/grit this week

I'm starting to think that this could well be the beginning of a severe
wintry spell putting anything we had last winter into the background (at
least in England).

My winter forecast could go tits up very quickly, but hey do I care? :-)

All to play for but nothing certain so let's not get too carried away
just
yet!
Champagne is on ice :-)

Eskimo Will
--
-------------------
Just hope instead of Eskimo Will you don't end up like Dead Eyed Dick !

For the benefit of the less educated (or over?):-

When a man grows old and his b*lls grow cold,
And the tip of his p**ck turns blue,
And the hole in the middle refuses to piddle,
I'd say he was f**ked, wouldn't you?

;-) ;-)

Dave

ROFL.
Sometimes out on the moor in winter, I have trouble finding my little man if
I need a pee! :-)

Will
--

On Nov 20, 2:50*pm, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On Nov 20, 11:22*am, "Will Hand" wrote:



"santiago" wrote in message

...

a bleak outlook for zonality and pressure in berne

getting the anti-freeze and salt/grit this week

I'm starting to think that this could well be the beginning of a severe
wintry spell putting anything we had last winter into the background (at
least in England).

My winter forecast could go tits up very quickly, but hey do I care? :-)

All to play for but nothing certain so let's not get too carried away just
yet!
Champagne is on ice :-)

Eskimo Will
--

That's strong stuff coming from you Will.

I'm not convinced about snow yet in my neck of the woods, to early,
warm sea and not that cold to the NE (Yet). There would have to be a
steady wind to advect any cold across or will be rapidly modified. But
if the balance is right, we have the 'Lake effect' on the east coast,
especially the SE.

Is it a major change to the weather for the 2nd half of November
that's making your winter forecast possible go tits-up! ?

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Both gfs and ecm making more of that low in the north sea that will
stall the air and give it time to warm. Looking more like rain now to
me.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On Nov 21, 9:30*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:50*pm, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:





On Nov 20, 11:22*am, "Will Hand" wrote:

"santiago" wrote in message

...

a bleak outlook for zonality and pressure in berne

getting the anti-freeze and salt/grit this week

I'm starting to think that this could well be the beginning of a severe
wintry spell putting anything we had last winter into the background (at
least in England).

My winter forecast could go tits up very quickly, but hey do I care? :-)

All to play for but nothing certain so let's not get too carried away just
yet!
Champagne is on ice :-)

Eskimo Will
--

That's strong stuff coming from you Will.

I'm not convinced about snow yet in my neck of the woods, to early,
warm sea and not that cold to the NE (Yet). There would have to be a
steady wind to advect any cold across or will be rapidly modified. But
if the balance is right, we have the 'Lake effect' on the east coast,
especially the SE.

Is it a major change to the weather for the 2nd half of November
that's making your winter forecast possible go tits-up! ?

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Both gfs and ecm making more of that low in the north sea that will
stall the air and give it time to warm. Looking more like rain now to
me.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Do I sense the 2nd "writing off cold spell before it's happened" post
of the winter?!

Richard

On Nov 21, 9:48*am, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:30*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:





On Nov 20, 2:50*pm, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:

On Nov 20, 11:22*am, "Will Hand" wrote:

"santiago" wrote in message

...

a bleak outlook for zonality and pressure in berne

getting the anti-freeze and salt/grit this week

I'm starting to think that this could well be the beginning of a severe
wintry spell putting anything we had last winter into the background (at
least in England).

My winter forecast could go tits up very quickly, but hey do I care? :-)

All to play for but nothing certain so let's not get too carried away just
yet!
Champagne is on ice :-)

Eskimo Will
--

That's strong stuff coming from you Will.

I'm not convinced about snow yet in my neck of the woods, to early,
warm sea and not that cold to the NE (Yet). There would have to be a
steady wind to advect any cold across or will be rapidly modified. But
if the balance is right, we have the 'Lake effect' on the east coast,
especially the SE.

Is it a major change to the weather for the 2nd half of November
that's making your winter forecast possible go tits-up! ?

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Both gfs and ecm making more of that low in the north sea that will
stall the air and give it time to warm. Looking more like rain now to
me.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Do I sense the 2nd "writing off cold spell before it's happened" post
of the winter?!

Richard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes - Springs arrived - Narcissi picking now well under way!
http://www.scillyflowers.co.uk/?gcli...FQhO4QodOlU_YA

Graham
Penzance

On Nov 21, 9:30*am, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:50*pm, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:



On Nov 20, 11:22*am, "Will Hand" wrote:

"santiago" wrote in message

...

a bleak outlook for zonality and pressure in berne

getting the anti-freeze and salt/grit this week

I'm starting to think that this could well be the beginning of a severe
wintry spell putting anything we had last winter into the background (at
least in England).

My winter forecast could go tits up very quickly, but hey do I care? :-)

All to play for but nothing certain so let's not get too carried away just
yet!
Champagne is on ice :-)

Eskimo Will
--

That's strong stuff coming from you Will.

I'm not convinced about snow yet in my neck of the woods, to early,
warm sea and not that cold to the NE (Yet). There would have to be a
steady wind to advect any cold across or will be rapidly modified. But
if the balance is right, we have the 'Lake effect' on the east coast,
especially the SE.

Is it a major change to the weather for the 2nd half of November
that's making your winter forecast possible go tits-up! ?

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

Both gfs and ecm making more of that low in the north sea that will
stall the air and give it time to warm. Looking more like rain now to
me.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

No exactly, just being realistic about the situation before we all go
over the top.

Keith (Southend)

No exactly, just being realistic about the situation before we all go
over the top.

Keith (Southend)
----------------------
I think we will see some snow Keith but I don't see you saying it might
be a bit too warm is any more writing it off before it's started than
someone saying there is going to be a dire spell is counting their
chickens before it's started.
Dave

"Keith (Southend)G" wrote in message
...

Both gfs and ecm making more of that low in the north sea that will
stall the air and give it time to warm. Looking more like rain now to
me.

I'd hazard a guess you'll see rain turning progressively to sleet and snow
during Thursday and Friday as the deep cold air floods in. Current data
suggests that by the end of Friday both the dew point and theta-w are
negative so I'd be expecting precipitation of the snow/hail variety, even in
Southend - and given some of the highly unstable profiles I've seen (CB
tops -40°C in the east) and latest sea temperatures we'll be looking at
thundersnow for some coastal areas.

Dew points by 18Z Friday
http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_06_...Grad/132_8.gif

Not to be taken literally but I believe this is the 06Z GFS expected snow
accumulation by 06Z next Saturday
http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_06_...rad/144_24.gif

compared to today http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_06_...Grad/12_24.gif
much of Europe will probably look quite different.

(apologies for all the GFS links..)

Jon.

On 20/11/2010 18:41, Will Hand wrote:
Sometimes out on the moor in winter, I have trouble finding my little
man if I need a pee! :-)

TMI grin

--
Wendy Tinley
Sheffield

On Nov 21, 1:43*pm, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:
Not to be taken literally but I believe this is the 06Z GFS expected snow
accumulation by 06Z next Saturdayhttp://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_06_UTC_05Grad/144_24.gif


So the units of that plot are what..., mm equivalent rainfall would it
be? I'm thinking kg/m2 would be mg/mm2, ie ul/mm2 == mm3/mm2
(ignoring the nicety of superscripts). Or is it too long since I left
school? So maybe 4" or so forecast for, hmm, say the West Suffolk
area?

JGD