News24 have been running a lot of programming on climate change today.
I've only seen some snippets but I haven't been very impressed by some
of what the "experts" have been saying. For example, one of this
country's leading scientists in the subject has just said that the
amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased by 40 percent
since the industrial revolution. I have no idea what the true figure is
but, bearing in mind that the main greenhouse gas by volume is water
vapour, that figure of a 40 percent increase must surely be wrong. He
was probably referring to gases other than water vapour but that's not
what he said and it does make a big difference.

My main gripe is that most of the "experts" are being very positive
about what "will" happen, even down to quite precise regional detail.
There's not a lot of uncertainty being expressed. The theme seems to be
that "our models show that this will happen and we are confident that
our models are accurate". If only it were that simple :-(

Norman.
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--
Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy
Chalfont St Giles
England

I am not very keen on this either Norman. It seems like a good old fashioned
bit of BBC bias in favour of the greenhouse effect climate change brigade.
They all conveniently forget that in the early middle ages there was a
spell of warming much greater than we have today. There was no
industrialisation around then. However, they all ignore that side of the
argument deliberately.

Gavin.

"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message
...
News24 have been running a lot of programming on climate change today.
I've only seen some snippets but I haven't been very impressed by some
of what the "experts" have been saying. For example, one of this
country's leading scientists in the subject has just said that the
amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased by 40 percent
since the industrial revolution. I have no idea what the true figure is
but, bearing in mind that the main greenhouse gas by volume is water
vapour, that figure of a 40 percent increase must surely be wrong. He
was probably referring to gases other than water vapour but that's not
what he said and it does make a big difference.

My main gripe is that most of the "experts" are being very positive
about what "will" happen, even down to quite precise regional detail.
There's not a lot of uncertainty being expressed. The theme seems to be
that "our models show that this will happen and we are confident that
our models are accurate". If only it were that simple :-(

Norman.
(delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail)
--
Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy
Chalfont St Giles
England

Obviously there is a concerted campaign around public awarness......awarness
that some some sort of further tax levy will be introduced.

What is it now? a special lane for shared cars? no doubt eventually the
single car user will have to pay. Mind you it could prove amusing with
'proffessional' passengers selling their services to enable drivers to use
the 'fast tracking lanes.






"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
...
I am not very keen on this either Norman. It seems like a good old
fashioned
bit of BBC bias in favour of the greenhouse effect climate change brigade.
They all conveniently forget that in the early middle ages there was a
spell of warming much greater than we have today. There was no
industrialisation around then. However, they all ignore that side of the
argument deliberately.

Gavin.

"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message
...
News24 have been running a lot of programming on climate change today.
I've only seen some snippets but I haven't been very impressed by some
of what the "experts" have been saying. For example, one of this
country's leading scientists in the subject has just said that the
amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased by 40 percent
since the industrial revolution. I have no idea what the true figure is
but, bearing in mind that the main greenhouse gas by volume is water
vapour, that figure of a 40 percent increase must surely be wrong. He
was probably referring to gases other than water vapour but that's not
what he said and it does make a big difference.

My main gripe is that most of the "experts" are being very positive
about what "will" happen, even down to quite precise regional detail.
There's not a lot of uncertainty being expressed. The theme seems to be
that "our models show that this will happen and we are confident that
our models are accurate". If only it were that simple :-(

Norman.
(delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail)
--
Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy
Chalfont St Giles
England

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence"
wrote:

Obviously there is a concerted campaign around public awarness......awarness
that some some sort of further tax levy will be introduced.

What is it now? a special lane for shared cars? no doubt eventually the
single car user will have to pay. Mind you it could prove amusing with
'proffessional' passengers selling their services to enable drivers to use
the 'fast tracking lanes.



In the US some drivers allegedly use blow-up life-size sex dolls sat (upright!)
in the passenger seat to fool the enforcement cameras and agencies.

JPG

"JPG" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence"
wrote:

Obviously there is a concerted campaign around public
awarness......awarness
that some some sort of further tax levy will be introduced.

What is it now? a special lane for shared cars? no doubt eventually the
single car user will have to pay. Mind you it could prove amusing with
'proffessional' passengers selling their services to enable drivers to
use
the 'fast tracking lanes.



In the US some drivers allegedly use blow-up life-size sex dolls sat
(upright!)
in the passenger seat to fool the enforcement cameras and agencies.

JPG


Yes that's true, but just after the BBC breakfast link from the Maldives the
next item was exactly about that issue. Some team at one of the UNY's had
developed a infra-read camera with a software programme that could
distinguish a human from dummy. Tony Blair is being tested as we write.
As for the "blow-up life-size sex dolls " they would be very susceptible to
those cameras as they give off a red-light

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:20:41 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence"
wrote:


"JPG" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence"
wrote:

Obviously there is a concerted campaign around public
awarness......awarness
that some some sort of further tax levy will be introduced.

What is it now? a special lane for shared cars? no doubt eventually the
single car user will have to pay. Mind you it could prove amusing with
'proffessional' passengers selling their services to enable drivers to
use
the 'fast tracking lanes.



In the US some drivers allegedly use blow-up life-size sex dolls sat
(upright!)
in the passenger seat to fool the enforcement cameras and agencies.

JPG



As for the "blow-up life-size sex dolls " they would be very susceptible to
those cameras as they give off a red-light



Only if you turn them on

In uk.sci.weather on Thu, 29 Jul 2004 at 09:20:35, JPG wrote :

In the US some drivers allegedly use blow-up life-size sex dolls sat (upright!)
in the passenger seat to fool the enforcement cameras and agencies.

Or that's their *excuse*, anyway...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

The horrendous complexity and uncertainties of climate change are never
dealt with in any news or factual program when the issue crops up.

They also seem to ignore any other possibility for the causes of the present
measured warming such as Solar activity changes. This surprises me,
particularly with US Govt scientists, some of whom like to play down the CO2
issue. Nowhere have I ever seen any question even as to whether last summers
Northern Hemisphere heat combined with the highest ever recorded activity on
the surface of the Sun may possibly have had some link!

--
Pete

Please take my dog out twice to e-mail

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"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
...
I am not very keen on this either Norman. It seems like a good old
fashioned
bit of BBC bias in favour of the greenhouse effect climate change brigade.
They all conveniently forget that in the early middle ages there was a
spell of warming much greater than we have today. There was no
industrialisation around then. However, they all ignore that side of the
argument deliberately.

Gavin.

"Norman Lynagh" wrote in message
...
News24 have been running a lot of programming on climate change today.
I've only seen some snippets but I haven't been very impressed by some
of what the "experts" have been saying. For example, one of this
country's leading scientists in the subject has just said that the
amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased by 40 percent
since the industrial revolution. I have no idea what the true figure is
but, bearing in mind that the main greenhouse gas by volume is water
vapour, that figure of a 40 percent increase must surely be wrong. He
was probably referring to gases other than water vapour but that's not
what he said and it does make a big difference.

My main gripe is that most of the "experts" are being very positive
about what "will" happen, even down to quite precise regional detail.
There's not a lot of uncertainty being expressed. The theme seems to be
that "our models show that this will happen and we are confident that
our models are accurate". If only it were that simple :-(

Norman.
(delete "thisbit" twice to e-mail)
--
Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy
Chalfont St Giles
England

In article 9b0f33e3@clyde, "Pete B" writes:

They also seem to ignore any other possibility for the causes of the present
measured warming such as Solar activity changes.


No one, least of all the IPCC, ignores solar radiation. It is well-known,
measured and factored in.



Cheers,

keith



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