On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 10:00:31 UTC+1, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 2:23:28 AM UTC+1, Tudor Hughes wrote:

What are the creative arts? There are colleges with a School of Creative Arts. Are they having a laugh? Can someone tell me what a non-creative art is?

Len
Wembury

The Beaufort wind scale is an arbitrary division of speed for sailors, not landlubbers.
As for non-creative arts, what about a tune by Andrew Lloyd Webber. As as professional musician told me, "they're all nicked".

Tudor Hughes.

What I meant Tudor was that the Beaufort scale is not so arbitrary for sea farers because it relates to sea state. For land lubbers it is more meaningless and arbitrary.

As regards non-creative arts, when one opens ones mouth and begins to sing, or picks up an instrument and plays, one is creating something. It is a unique creative sound even though it may be a racket to some ears.
But is music an art?

Len
Wembury

What I meant by "arbitrary" was that a gale, for instance, is given the number 8, not 12 or 6½. And surely the Beaufort Scale refers to wind speed not sea state. Thus Force 9 means the wind speed is 47-54 mph not the waves are ten feet high or whatever. I use the Beaufort Scale not just for average wind speed but for gusts if prolonged for more than a few seconds because that is about the level of accuracy I can achieve without a measuring device. It's quite an art.

Tudor Hughes

What I meant by "arbitrary" was that a gale, for instance, is given the number 8, not 12 or 6½. And surely the Beaufort Scale refers to wind speed not sea state. Thus Force 9 means the wind speed is 47-54 mph not the waves are ten feet high or whatever. I use the Beaufort Scale not just for average wind speed but for gusts if prolonged for more than a few seconds because that is about the level of accuracy I can achieve without a measuring device. It's quite an art.

Tudor Hughes

Virtually calm this morning, look at the sea state! Quite a ground sea.
https://www.atlanticcottageholidays....m-sennen-cove/ It's a more powerful sea on the north coast than it was during Callum.

The haze is salt spray, not mist, Cornwall is covered in a cloud a salt spray, forget the VG visibility forecasts.

Graham
Penzance

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:10:14 PM UTC-4, Len wrote:

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On another subject.
What are the creative arts? There are colleges with a School of Creative Arts. Are they having a laugh? Can someone tell me what a non-creative art is?

Len
Wembury

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It's presumably to distinguish such a college from those offering other arts degrees - e.g. liberal arts colleges with courses in the humanities (often mixed with sciences). Philosophy and social sciences would be included, for example.


Stephen
Indianapolis IN

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 4:23:24 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:10:14 PM UTC-4, Len wrote:

Snip

On another subject.
What are the creative arts? There are colleges with a School of Creative Arts. Are they having a laugh? Can someone tell me what a non-creative art is?

Len
Wembury

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It's presumably to distinguish such a college from those offering other arts degrees - e.g. liberal arts colleges with courses in the humanities (often mixed with sciences). Philosophy and social sciences would be included, for example.


Stephen
Indianapolis IN

You have a point there Stephen.
What is the difference between arts and science?
A rather grey area I would say.
Geography degrees are often Bachelor of Arts degrees here, although geography is in some parts science.
Science can be creative, in which case it is usually called applied science.
In the old days we just had Schools of Arts.
It seems to me that the people who run these arts schools are afraid that they will be mixed up with those schools running humanities courses. So they add 'creative' to the title.
Ridiculous IMHO.

Len