On 02/03/2018 16:10, Graham wrote:
I don't understand why the met office still has yellow snow warnings for
today and tomorrow.
Its not snowed since yesterday evening (and that was only slight) and
the front pushing up from the South is already dying a death.
I would imagine by the time it reaches us there wont be a snowflake left
on!!
Still we shouldn't see another snow warning after tomorrow, thank god!


Graham



We've had more snow here in the last 12 hours than we've had during the
rest of the "Beast from the East" event, thank you.

jim, Northampton.

Graham wrote:

The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

No we had around 7 cms yesterday, what I'm saying is why has there
been a snow warning for this area for today (from 10.30) when it's
been dry all day. The front coming up from the South has only
reached this area in the last hour. The snow from it is slight and
patchy, surely doesn't warrant any snow warning?




Graham

The general opinion amongst my acquaintances in the village here is
that the severe weather warning service is a waste of time. That's
certainly my experience. In the great majority of occasions when a
warning covers this area we do not get the severe weather. When we do
get genuinely severe weather, more often than not there is no warning
current. In my opinion, the Severe Weather Warning Service, as it is
currently operated, is not fit for purpose.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

wrote:

The northward moving occluded front is giving snow right across the
Midlads and East Anglia now (just arriving in your local
neighbourhood around Stoke about now I should think....). In
Hertfordshire there is yet another problem of a large number of
motorists stuck in snow -I think it was 100 cars between Luton and
Hitchin . Patchy snow has been expected in northern and central this
weekend for several days now. The warnings seem fully justified and
appropriate IMO.


I'm with Graham on this one, Julian. There was a warning of snow for
this area from 0005 till 2355 yesterday, We didn't get one flake of
snow during that period. We seem to get a lot of these 'cry wolf'
warnings. As a result, people tend to ignore all warnings and, of
course, occasionally get caught out. The fact that a Time of Issue is
no longer included in each warning further reduces their usefulness.


--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

The general opinion amongst my acquaintances in the village here is
that the severe weather warning service is a waste of time. That's
certainly my experience. In the great majority of occasions when a
warning covers this area we do not get the severe weather. When we do
get genuinely severe weather, more often than not there is no warning
current. In my opinion, the Severe Weather Warning Service, as it is
currently operated, is not fit for purpose.

That's my opinion too Norman, I find then so annoying. My wife has always
been worried about driving in snow but she is now always pleased when she
hears the warnings because most of the time we get very little or none.
December proves my point. There were so many times we were hit by sudden
heavy snowfall and not a warning in site. My wife went out for a meal one
night with work colleagues and struggle to get home.
I was trying to point out the problem yesterday as a prime example. Met
Office warning for snow in place from 10.30 until 23.55. We had a fine, dry
morning and more cloudy but dry afternoon. I could see the band of snow on
the radar becoming less and less as it painstakingly moved northwards, why
couldn't they see it and adjust their warnings. More annoying at 18.50 the
Midlands today presenter was saying 10 to 15 cms on high ground which
included Staffordshire. I said to my wife that's total rubbish as she needed
to get to work today! When the snow did finally arrived around 20.30, it was
very light and patchy, which I expected. Anyway must stop rambling, just
wanted to make a valid point!
By the way Norman will you be doing anymore photos, does look good there


Graham

In message , Graham
writes
The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that other
areas have had deep snow.

The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that other
areas have had deep snow.

No we had around 7 cms yesterday, what I'm saying is why has there
been a snow warning for this area for today (from 10.30) when it's been
dry all day.
The front coming up from the South has only reached this area in the last
hour. The snow from it is slight and patchy, surely doesn't warrant any
snow warning?


When a snow warning covers a substantial area, presumably the timing for
the warning to commence has to be the earliest time that the snow could
reach any part of the area, which could be some hours before it is
expected to reach the farther edge of the area. You could break the area
down into smaller adjoining areas and give each one its own start time,
but that could lead to a confusing plethora of warnings.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

John Hall wrote:

In message , Graham
writes
The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

No we had around 7 cms yesterday, what I'm saying is why has there
been a snow warning for this area for today (from 10.30) when it's
been dry all day. The front coming up from the South has only
reached this area in the last hour. The snow from it is slight and
patchy, surely doesn't warrant any snow warning?


When a snow warning covers a substantial area, presumably the timing
for the warning to commence has to be the earliest time that the snow
could reach any part of the area, which could be some hours before it
is expected to reach the farther edge of the area. You could break
the area down into smaller adjoining areas and give each one its own
start time, but that could lead to a confusing plethora of warnings.


The following seems to be a much better approach to the problem

https://www.weather.gov/

Drilling down gets to some very detailed information, specific to your
location of interest.

I appreciate that this requires Internet access but we can't stick in
the quill pen era forever.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On 03/03/2018 10:21, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

The northward moving occluded front is giving snow right across the
Midlads and East Anglia now (just arriving in your local
neighbourhood around Stoke about now I should think....). In
Hertfordshire there is yet another problem of a large number of
motorists stuck in snow -I think it was 100 cars between Luton and
Hitchin . Patchy snow has been expected in northern and central this
weekend for several days now. The warnings seem fully justified and
appropriate IMO.


I'm with Graham on this one, Julian. There was a warning of snow for
this area from 0005 till 2355 yesterday, We didn't get one flake of
snow during that period. We seem to get a lot of these 'cry wolf'
warnings. As a result, people tend to ignore all warnings and, of
course, occasionally get caught out. The fact that a Time of Issue is
no longer included in each warning further reduces their usefulness.


I asked why the TOI had been removed from the warnings and got the
reply that 'they are confusing'. I just replied that they are even more
confusing without. That's progress for you.

Metman2012 wrote:

On 03/03/2018 10:21, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

The northward moving occluded front is giving snow right across
the Midlads and East Anglia now (just arriving in your local
neighbourhood around Stoke about now I should think....). In
Hertfordshire there is yet another problem of a large number of
motorists stuck in snow -I think it was 100 cars between Luton and
Hitchin . Patchy snow has been expected in northern and central
this weekend for several days now. The warnings seem fully
justified and appropriate IMO.


I'm with Graham on this one, Julian. There was a warning of snow for
this area from 0005 till 2355 yesterday, We didn't get one flake of
snow during that period. We seem to get a lot of these 'cry wolf'
warnings. As a result, people tend to ignore all warnings and, of
course, occasionally get caught out. The fact that a Time of Issue
is no longer included in each warning further reduces their
usefulness.


I asked why the TOI had been removed from the warnings and got the
reply that 'they are confusing'. I just replied that they are even
more confusing without. That's progress for you.


Yes, it's all very strange. All their other forecast products have a
ToI so why not the warnings? When I asked about this back in December I
got the following response

--------------------------------------------------
Thank you for your email regarding time of issue on our weather
warnings.

The time of issue is shown on the warnings pages on our Mobile website,
see:

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/warnings/uk

I agree that it would make sense for this to be included on all
warnings; ideally you should not have to specifically go to our mobile
site to find this, although I hope it is reassuring to know that the
information is still available.

As part of continuous improvements which we are committed to making to
our services, we are currently undergoing a review of our National
Severe Weather Warnings Service, and hope to be in a position to
implement furtherupdates in 2018.

Your feedback will certainly be useful and will be passed to the
relevant department for review.
------------------------------------------------------

However, I see that Times of Issue have since been removed from
warnings on the mobile website. It seems to be a deliberate policy not
to state when individual warnings are issued. Very odd.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

In message , Norman Lynagh
writes
John Hall wrote:

In message , Graham
writes
The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

The warning for tomorrow is for ice not snow.
Are you saying you've missed all the snow? The snow here in South
Oxfordshire hasn't been particularly deep, but it's obvious that
other areas have had deep snow.

No we had around 7 cms yesterday, what I'm saying is why has there
been a snow warning for this area for today (from 10.30) when it's
been dry all day. The front coming up from the South has only
reached this area in the last hour. The snow from it is slight and
patchy, surely doesn't warrant any snow warning?


When a snow warning covers a substantial area, presumably the timing
for the warning to commence has to be the earliest time that the snow
could reach any part of the area, which could be some hours before it
is expected to reach the farther edge of the area. You could break
the area down into smaller adjoining areas and give each one its own
start time, but that could lead to a confusing plethora of warnings.


The following seems to be a much better approach to the problem

https://www.weather.gov/

Drilling down gets to some very detailed information, specific to your
location of interest.

Yes, that's excellent. I suppose the sheer size of the US made it
essential to do something on those lines.

I appreciate that this requires Internet access but we can't stick in
the quill pen era forever.


I suppose it's mostly the elderly who still rely primarily on TV weather
forecasts on which warnings are shown, along perhaps with teletext or
whatever it's now called. But if they could see a top-level map on their
TV like the US one, that should give them as much information as the
current system does, even if they lacked the ability to drill down.
--
John Hall
"Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history
that man can never learn anything from history."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)