Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week on
Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half of
the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552 miles
from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around Penrith.
Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland
and the far north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North' doesn't
start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On 13 Jan 2018 10:59:01 GMT
"Norman Lynagh" wrote:

Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week on
Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half of
the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552 miles
from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around Penrith.
Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland
and the far north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North' doesn't
start at the Chiltern Hills :-(


I agree. Not SE-centric but a lot of the time London-centric. Snow will not
just fall on northern hills either that is rubbish. Most of Wales will get snow
as well as Dartmoor and Exmoor. High Dartmoor is forecast by the MetO own model
to have many hours of snowfall next week! PLus I would say the Midlands and a
lot of *low* ground "up north" too. A crap summary I'd say which should be
emphasising more the likely severity of the weather next week (away from the
south coast and London of course).

Will Hand wrote:

On 13 Jan 2018 10:59:01 GMT
"Norman Lynagh" wrote:

Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week
on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half
of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552
miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around
Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean
only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect that during
next week snow will fall on hills very much further south than
that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(


I agree. Not SE-centric but a lot of the time London-centric. Snow
will not just fall on northern hills either that is rubbish. Most of
Wales will get snow as well as Dartmoor and Exmoor. High Dartmoor is
forecast by the MetO own model to have many hours of snowfall next
week! PLus I would say the Midlands and a lot of low ground "up
north" too. A crap summary I'd say which should be emphasising more
the likely severity of the weather next week (away from the south
coast and London of course).


It's also a bit surprising that there's a warning of snow on Tuesday
for places like Campbeltown, Portpatrick and Stranraer but nothing for
Cumbria and the Pennines or the Welsh hills. I wonder what the thinking
is behind that?

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On 13 Jan 2018 12:24:16 GMT
"Norman Lynagh" wrote:

Will Hand wrote:

On 13 Jan 2018 10:59:01 GMT
"Norman Lynagh" wrote:

Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week
on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half
of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552
miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around
Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean
only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect that during
next week snow will fall on hills very much further south than
that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(


I agree. Not SE-centric but a lot of the time London-centric. Snow
will not just fall on northern hills either that is rubbish. Most of
Wales will get snow as well as Dartmoor and Exmoor. High Dartmoor is
forecast by the MetO own model to have many hours of snowfall next
week! PLus I would say the Midlands and a lot of low ground "up
north" too. A crap summary I'd say which should be emphasising more
the likely severity of the weather next week (away from the south
coast and London of course).


It's also a bit surprising that there's a warning of snow on Tuesday
for places like Campbeltown, Portpatrick and Stranraer but nothing for
Cumbria and the Pennines or the Welsh hills. I wonder what the thinking
is behind that?


Thinking? :-)

On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week on
Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half of
the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552 miles
from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around Penrith.
Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland
and the far north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North' doesn't
start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London centricity
so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and that
generally means Northern England, which of course means areas south of
your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of course as
would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak District, would you
consider that all to be 'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high' ground?
1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground, well it's
high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point. Granted they
do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course a lot of people
probably don't really know how high they live anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Col wrote:

On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week
on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half
of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552
miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around
Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean
only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect that during
next week snow will fall on hills very much further south than
that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak District,
would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's most
southern extent?


According to the way that the Met Office splits up the country the
Derbyshire part of the Peak District is in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On 13/01/18 12:25, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week on
Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half of
the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552 miles
from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around Penrith.
Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland
and the far north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North' doesn't
start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London centricity
so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and that
generally means Northern England, which of course means areas south of
your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of course as
would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak District, would you
consider that all to be 'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high' ground?
1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground, well it's
high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point. Granted they
do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course a lot of people
probably don't really know how high they live anyway.


From my experiences living in Rushden around sixty years ago, whenever
the forecast mentioned "snow on high ground" and the wind was from the
east we'd get snow. The height where I lived was about 250 feet. Mind
you, I think that said more about the accuracy of the forecasts than
what they meant by "high ground".


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
"Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it
is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion." [Col. Flagg]
OS: Linux [openSUSE Tumbleweed]

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next week on
Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture of
sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in nature with
snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think it
would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern half of
the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is 552 miles
from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is around Penrith.
Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland
and the far north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North' doesn't
start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London centricity
so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and that
generally means Northern England, which of course means areas south of
your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of course as
would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak District, would you
consider that all to be 'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high' ground?
1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground, well it's
high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point. Granted they
do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course a lot of people
probably don't really know how high they live anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it". Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture
of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in
nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think
it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern
half of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is
552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is
around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills'
should mean only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect
that during next week snow will fall on hills very much further
south than that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills
:-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak
District, would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's
most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground,
well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point.
Granted they do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course
a lot of people probably don't really know how high they live
anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake
District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should
be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for
the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this
throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as
temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it".
Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a
forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree with
you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start of this
thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the UK. The
term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different in that
context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the Pennines I
certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As I said earlier
in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the Country up puts
Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture
of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in
nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think
it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern
half of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is
552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is
around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills'
should mean only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect
that during next week snow will fall on hills very much further
south than that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills
:-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak
District, would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's
most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground,
well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point.
Granted they do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course
a lot of people probably don't really know how high they live
anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake
District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should
be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for
the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this
throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as
temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it".
Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a
forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree with
you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start of this
thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the UK. The
term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different in that
context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the Pennines I
certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As I said earlier
in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the Country up puts
Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
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The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

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