On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:
On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:47:51 UTC+3, Jumper wrote:
You laughed at me

Nah, I never laughed at you, only pitied the miserable wretch you
are.

when I said the rapture was coming.

Blondie re-releasing their 1981 single, are they?

Today, do you
laugh? President Trump is being inaugurated.

No. Today I weep.


Brexit is going fine. The labour party may still prove themselves
to be the most hated political party in the UK, when some labour
MPs are thinking of voting against the PM starting the talks on
leaving the EU with article 50.


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process but
I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get an easy
ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done to stop this
madness.

But there is nothing Remainers can do which won't **** all over our
country's democracy - and maintaining that is IMO infinitely more
important than the Brexit issue.




--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 January 2017 02:43:08 UTC+3, Adam Lea wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process
but I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get
an easy ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done
to stop this madness.

Col


Brexit is happening whether we like it or not. I think it is best
to accept what is happening and hope that the UK does come out as
well as it can. If the exit is bad for the UK then it may well
affect a lot of us adversely, so wishing for it to be hard makes no
sense to me. I also hope that the outcome ultimately turns out
better than expected, that won't be known until some time after we
have left properly.

I am not yet 100% convinced this will even happen at all.

If it's blocked, the be prepared for UKIP to make massive advances in
the 2020 election!

Call it
clutching at straws if you like but there are many twists & turns yet
to go on this. Remember the referendum reult isn't leglly binsing and
there will be a vote in Parliament to implement Brexit assuming the
Supreme Court decision goes against the Government. It should be made
hard for the Brexiteers in the sense that it should be fought all the
way and certainly to get as 'soft' a Brexit as reasonably possible.

That's not what *I* voted for!



--

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

in 446525 20170121 073415 Vidcapper wrote:
On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 January 2017 02:43:08 UTC+3, Adam Lea wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process
but I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get
an easy ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done
to stop this madness.

Col


Brexit is happening whether we like it or not. I think it is best
to accept what is happening and hope that the UK does come out as
well as it can. If the exit is bad for the UK then it may well
affect a lot of us adversely, so wishing for it to be hard makes no
sense to me. I also hope that the outcome ultimately turns out
better than expected, that won't be known until some time after we
have left properly.

I am not yet 100% convinced this will even happen at all.

If it's blocked, the be prepared for UKIP to make massive advances in
the 2020 election!

Call it
clutching at straws if you like but there are many twists & turns yet
to go on this. Remember the referendum reult isn't leglly binsing and
there will be a vote in Parliament to implement Brexit assuming the
Supreme Court decision goes against the Government. It should be made
hard for the Brexiteers in the sense that it should be fought all the
way and certainly to get as 'soft' a Brexit as reasonably possible.

That's not what *I* voted for!

When it finally sinks in what an awful disaster it is going to be even some
Leave voters will change their minds.
If polls show that a large majority are against it even mad Theresa Mayhem
will think agan.

On Saturday, 21 January 2017 10:34:20 UTC+3, vidcapper wrote:


On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:
- show quoted text -
But there is nothing Remainers can do which won't **** all over our
country's democracy - and maintaining that is IMO infinitely more
important than the Brexit issue.

Nothing undemocratic about it I'm afraid. The referendum result was only 'advisory'. You may not like that, but that's the way it is.

On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 January 2017 02:43:08 UTC+3, Adam Lea wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process
but I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get
an easy ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done
to stop this madness.

Col



I am not yet 100% convinced this will even happen at all.

If it's blocked, the be prepared for UKIP to make massive advances in
the 2020 election!

Quite possible but don't forget that 48% voted to stay in and that is a very sizeable minority. Don't expect a UKIP government. That isn't going to happen. And anyway, what happened last year is only a snapshot of opinion. Who knows what that might be in 2020?

Call it
clutching at straws if you like but there are many twists & turns yet
to go on this. Remember the referendum reult isn't leglly binsing and
there will be a vote in Parliament to implement Brexit assuming the
Supreme Court decision goes against the Government. It should be made
hard for the Brexiteers in the sense that it should be fought all the
way and certainly to get as 'soft' a Brexit as reasonably possible.

That's not what *I* voted for!


Indeed not. It's not what anybody voted for. And you didn't vote for hard Brexit either, or any of the 50 shades of insanity in between. All you voted for was 'leave'. Nobody knows how many people want to leave but stay in the single market because they weren't asked.

Col

On Saturday, 21 January 2017 11:00:19 UTC+3, Bob Martin wrote:
in 446525 20170121 073415 Vidcapper wrote:
On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 January 2017 02:43:08 UTC+3, Adam Lea wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process
but I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get
an easy ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done
to stop this madness.

Col


Brexit is happening whether we like it or not. I think it is best
to accept what is happening and hope that the UK does come out as
well as it can. If the exit is bad for the UK then it may well
affect a lot of us adversely, so wishing for it to be hard makes no
sense to me. I also hope that the outcome ultimately turns out
better than expected, that won't be known until some time after we
have left properly.

I am not yet 100% convinced this will even happen at all.

If it's blocked, the be prepared for UKIP to make massive advances in
the 2020 election!

Call it
clutching at straws if you like but there are many twists & turns yet
to go on this. Remember the referendum reult isn't leglly binsing and
there will be a vote in Parliament to implement Brexit assuming the
Supreme Court decision goes against the Government. It should be made
hard for the Brexiteers in the sense that it should be fought all the
way and certainly to get as 'soft' a Brexit as reasonably possible.

That's not what *I* voted for!

When it finally sinks in what an awful disaster it is going to be even some
Leave voters will change their minds.
If polls show that a large majority are against it even mad Theresa Mayhem
will think agan.

Theresa May is a remainer anyway.

Col

On 21/01/17 05:20, wrote:
On Saturday, 21 January 2017 02:43:08 UTC+3, Adam Lea wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process
but I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get
an easy ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done
to stop this madness.

Col


Brexit is happening whether we like it or not. I think it is best
to accept what is happening and hope that the UK does come out as
well as it can. If the exit is bad for the UK then it may well
affect a lot of us adversely, so wishing for it to be hard makes no
sense to me. I also hope that the outcome ultimately turns out
better than expected, that won't be known until some time after we
have left properly.

I am not yet 100% convinced this will even happen at all. Call it
clutching at straws if you like but there are many twists & turns yet
to go on this. Remember the referendum reult isn't legally binding and
there will be a vote in Parliament to implement Brexit assuming the
Supreme Court decision goes against the Government. It should be made
hard for the Brexiteers in the sense that it should be fought all the
way and certainly to get as 'soft' a Brexit as reasonably possible.
There was no mention of the type of Brexit on the ballot paper so all
that is still up for grabs. Nigel Farage said before the vote that if
the result was 52-48 in favour of remain then the matter wouldn't be
over by a long shot, well now it's the reverse result then the matter
can't be consider to be over either.


If this referendum had been run under the Tory proposals for Trade Union
reform, it would have been declared an insufficient mandate for Brexit
negotiations to go ahead. Those proposals required at least 40% of
registered members of the union to have voted for a proposal, in this
case the vote for Brexit comprised only 37.4% of the electorate. Under
those proposals for TU reform, even if nobody had voted for Remain, the
vote for Brexit would have been deemed to have failed.

Whilst I can't agree with the TU reform package, I felt at the time that
a decision of this magnitude should have required a majority of the
electorate to vote for a change rather than merely a majority of those
who could be bothered to vote.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
There are more fools than knaves in the world, else the knaves would
not have enough to live upon. [Samuel Butler]

On 21/01/17 07:31, Vidcapper wrote:
On 20/01/2017 12:16, wrote:
On Friday, 20 January 2017 14:47:51 UTC+3, Jumper wrote:
You laughed at me

Nah, I never laughed at you, only pitied the miserable wretch you
are.

when I said the rapture was coming.

Blondie re-releasing their 1981 single, are they?

Today, do you
laugh? President Trump is being inaugurated.

No. Today I weep.


Brexit is going fine. The labour party may still prove themselves
to be the most hated political party in the UK, when some labour
MPs are thinking of voting against the PM starting the talks on
leaving the EU with article 50.


I hope they do. Sadly it won't be enough to scupper the process but
I'll be damned if the Brexiteers think they are going to get an easy
ride on this. Everything(legal of course) should be done to stop this
madness.

But there is nothing Remainers can do which won't **** all over our
country's democracy - and maintaining that is IMO infinitely more
important than the Brexit issue.


It's a parliamentary democracy in which referenda are only advisory.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
There are more fools than knaves in the world, else the knaves would
not have enough to live upon. [Samuel Butler]

On 21/01/2017 07:34, Vidcapper wrote:
On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:


That's not what *I* voted for!




What did you vote for? As with the Trump presidency many have just
assumed a *change* is going to improve things for themselves. No one
knows whether it will or won't. I guess for me it was a case of better
the devil you know than the devil you don't.
--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

On 21/01/2017 08:55, Keith (Southend) wrote:
On 21/01/2017 07:34, Vidcapper wrote:
On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:


That's not what *I* voted for!




What did you vote for? As with the Trump presidency many have just
assumed a *change* is going to improve things for themselves. No one
knows whether it will or won't. I guess for me it was a case of better
the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Europe's big mistake is it's continued intransigence on immigration, I
understand the basic principle, but in the current world we live in, it
could be the breakup of Europe. After all, this was the main reason
people voted leave here.

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

On 21/01/17 08:55, Keith (Southend) wrote:
On 21/01/2017 07:34, Vidcapper wrote:
On 21/01/2017 05:20, wrote:


That's not what *I* voted for!


What did you vote for? As with the Trump presidency many have just
assumed a *change* is going to improve things for themselves. No one
knows whether it will or won't. I guess for me it was a case of better
the devil you know than the devil you don't.

When people who had just voted in the referendum on the Alternative Vote
(AV) were interviewed, the question they most asked was:
"What's AV?"

Sigh!

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
There are more fools than knaves in the world, else the knaves would
not have enough to live upon. [Samuel Butler]