On 31/12/2016 12:12, Alan [Guildford] wrote:
On Saturday, 31 December 2016 11:56:09 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
A good number of pundits, including some of the saner variety, have been
getting quite excited by recent operational runs of the GFS showing a very
cold spell setting in during the second week of January. There's been quite a
bit of hope/wish-casting. The 00z operational run today predicted strong E'lies
over the southern half of the British Isles from 11th-16th Jan. In very sharp
contrast, the 06z operational run today predicts strong SW'lies over the
country during the same period. The pundits have gone very silent.

A casual glance at the ensembles recently shows that beyond about 5 days there
is so much divergence that the situation is effectively unforecastable to any
useful level of reliability beyond 5 days. The fact that the model is routinely
run out to 16 days ahead doesn't mean that its predictions have any value. The
operational runs of any model beyond about 5 days are getting into fantasy
land, especially as they are quite often warm or cold outliers when compared to
the ensembles. Unfortunately, it's not easy to build uncertainty into the apps
that are so prevalent these days.

Medium-range NWP output is a tool for meteorologists, not end-user material for
Joe Public.

I'll get off my soap-box now :-)

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Norman Lynagh
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The one thing that does seem to be coming thru is a high probability of some kind of blocking scenario, the met office 30 day forecast hints at this as well. But as you say the ensembles are all over the place. At least the ingredients are in place for something more interesting.

But it does seem more than one outlier hinting at something more interesting. I'll eat my hat if this follows thru to something like this -

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ar...85010800_2.gif



I still think something cold is on the cards, but the devil is in the
detail and of course again we are doing that party dance again "Move to
the right shuffle".

I would be interested in Will's thoughts as I'm sure Haytor is tropical atm.

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