Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups (rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but just got a non-delivery message
Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

wrote:

Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups (rainfall)
from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for yesterday (the 7th).
I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby because, if so, it will be
screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast
have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button
and sent them a complaint, but just got a non-delivery message Still, I
suppose what you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my
sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Hi Ian,

The full SYNOPs, including the 6-groups, can be found at

http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/


Not quite as user-friendly as OGIMET as there's a separate file for each hour.
Nevertheless, the info is all there.

Incidentally, the Kirkwall 6-groups at 0000z and 0600z yesterday were 6///1 and
6///2 respectively.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 07:21:59 UTC, wrote:
Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups (rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but just got a non-delivery message
Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

A big part of the problem (as far as I know) is that the Met Office issue observations in BufR format and OGIMET then convert them into SYNOP and these things may be lost in translation (all nine groups as well), although as you say it does seem to be happening more frequently these days.

Try re-downloading them the next day, sometimes the Met Office do send out corrections or missing observations (retards) which I think OGIMET then process.

I have lost count of the number of times that I have emailed the guy at OGIMET to say what a great job he is doing, and never had a reply. I even thought of translating my email into Spanish to see if that would elicit a response, maybe next time.

I'm in the same boat as you, last night for example there was no SYNOP for Exeter airport at 1800. I tried again just now and it's still missing. All I can think is that there is a comms outage even though it's only 3 miles from the Met Office HQ!

rantThe Met Office have spent a lot of time, money and effort maintaining a large database holding around a million or more observations for the WOW project for people in this country and around the world. A good deal of that data is slightly dubious meteorologically speaking, but they can't be bothered to provide a single FTP folder to hold the latest quality controlled SYNOP observation and climatological reports for the people of the UK to access. I'm obviously missing the point here, but I would trade a 150 or so good weather observations for all of the WOW reports any day./rant

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:05:35 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups (rainfall)
from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for yesterday (the 7th).
I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby because, if so, it will be
screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast
have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button
and sent them a complaint, but just got a non-delivery message Still, I
suppose what you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my
sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Hi Ian,

The full SYNOPs, including the 6-groups, can be found at

http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/


Not quite as user-friendly as OGIMET as there's a separate file for each hour.
Nevertheless, the info is all there.

Incidentally, the Kirkwall 6-groups at 0000z and 0600z yesterday were 6///1 and
6///2 respectively.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman/Ian

Don't forget Florida State University either where I used to get my SYNOP data till OGIMET came along.

http://www.eoas.fsu.edu/rawdata/syn/...2016110718.syn

Interestingly the rainfall at Kirkwall was a trace at 1800 UTC.

03017 15683 /0410 10052 20006 30143 40176 56003 69902 333 10067
55300 20000 87/48=

and at 0000 UTC zero.

03017 15681 /2502 10038 21016 30118 40151 58017 60001 333 55///
20120 88/49=

There seems to be something odd going on here.

Bruce.

xmetman wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:05:35 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups
(rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for
yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby
because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records.
UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I
clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but
just got a non-delivery message Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for
you can hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Hi Ian,

The full SYNOPs, including the 6-groups, can be found at

http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/


Not quite as user-friendly as OGIMET as there's a separate file for each
hour. Nevertheless, the info is all there.

Incidentally, the Kirkwall 6-groups at 0000z and 0600z yesterday were 6///1
and 6///2 respectively.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman/Ian

Don't forget Florida State University either where I used to get my SYNOP
data till OGIMET came along.

http://www.eoas.fsu.edu/rawdata/syn/...2016110718.syn

Interestingly the rainfall at Kirkwall was a trace at 1800 UTC.

03017 15683 /0410 10052 20006 30143 40176 56003 69902 333 10067
55300 20000 87/48=

and at 0000 UTC zero.

03017 15681 /2502 10038 21016 30118 40151 58017 60001 333 55///
20120 88/49=

There seems to be something odd going on here.

Bruce.

Not sure what point you're making here, Bruce. The rainfall reported at 1800 is
for the 12 hours 0600-1800 while the rainfall reported at 0000 is for the 6
hours 1800-0000. There's no inconsistency between the two figures reported.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:44:44 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
xmetman wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:05:35 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups
(rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for
yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby
because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records..
UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I
clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but
just got a non-delivery message Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for
you can hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Hi Ian,

The full SYNOPs, including the 6-groups, can be found at

http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/


Not quite as user-friendly as OGIMET as there's a separate file for each
hour. Nevertheless, the info is all there.

Incidentally, the Kirkwall 6-groups at 0000z and 0600z yesterday were 6///1
and 6///2 respectively.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman/Ian

Don't forget Florida State University either where I used to get my SYNOP
data till OGIMET came along.

http://www.eoas.fsu.edu/rawdata/syn/...2016110718.syn

Interestingly the rainfall at Kirkwall was a trace at 1800 UTC.

03017 15683 /0410 10052 20006 30143 40176 56003 69902 333 10067
55300 20000 87/48=

and at 0000 UTC zero.

03017 15681 /2502 10038 21016 30118 40151 58017 60001 333 55///
20120 88/49=

There seems to be something odd going on here.

Bruce.

Not sure what point you're making here, Bruce. The rainfall reported at 1800 is
for the 12 hours 0600-1800 while the rainfall reported at 0000 is for the 6
hours 1800-0000. There's no inconsistency between the two figures reported.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman

Sorry, I mistakenly thought that you were talking about the 0000 on the 8th and not the 7th. You're right about the Kirkwall observation for the 07-0000 it did omit the rainfall total.

03017 17781 /0313 10061 20018 30161 40193 51005 6///1 723// 333
55/// 20250 87/50 90710 91130=

And by the way, I have done enough observations in my time to know that the rainfall group in the SYNOP for midnight was for a six hour period.

Bruce.

xmetman wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:44:44 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
xmetman wrote:

On Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:05:35 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
wrote:

Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups
(rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for
yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall
thereby because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall
records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups
intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a
complaint, but just got a non-delivery message Still, I suppose what
you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my sensible
wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Hi Ian,

The full SYNOPs, including the 6-groups, can be found at

http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/


Not quite as user-friendly as OGIMET as there's a separate file for each
hour. Nevertheless, the info is all there.

Incidentally, the Kirkwall 6-groups at 0000z and 0600z yesterday were
6///1 and 6///2 respectively.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman/Ian

Don't forget Florida State University either where I used to get my SYNOP
data till OGIMET came along.

http://www.eoas.fsu.edu/rawdata/syn/...2016110718.syn

Interestingly the rainfall at Kirkwall was a trace at 1800 UTC.

03017 15683 /0410 10052 20006 30143 40176 56003 69902 333 10067
55300 20000 87/48=

and at 0000 UTC zero.

03017 15681 /2502 10038 21016 30118 40151 58017 60001 333 55///
20120 88/49=

There seems to be something odd going on here.

Bruce.

Not sure what point you're making here, Bruce. The rainfall reported at
1800 is for the 12 hours 0600-1800 while the rainfall reported at 0000 is
for the 6 hours 1800-0000. There's no inconsistency between the two figures
reported.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman

Sorry, I mistakenly thought that you were talking about the 0000 on the 8th
and not the 7th. You're right about the Kirkwall observation for the 07-0000
it did omit the rainfall total.

03017 17781 /0313 10061 20018 30161 40193 51005 6///1 723// 333
55/// 20250 87/50 90710 91130=

And by the way, I have done enough observations in my time to know that the
rainfall group in the SYNOP for midnight was for a six hour period.

Bruce.

I had guessed that we were probably talking at cross purposes!

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 7:21:59 AM UTC, wrote:
Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups (rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but just got a non-delivery message
Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for you can hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Many thanks, Norman and Bruce. Long time no-see, eh, Norman!
What I like about this group is that whenever you have a problem, tbere's always someone who knows the answer, or at least can shed some light.

Ian.

wrote:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 7:21:59 AM UTC,
wrote:
Ogimet has developed an annoying habit lately of omitting 6-groups
(rainfall) from its synops. As an example, see Kirkwall (03017) for
yesterday (the 7th). I’m wondering if I’m missing rainfall thereby
because, if so, it will be screwing up my Scottish rainfall records. UKMO
say the synops they broadcast have all the 6-groups intact. I clicked on
Ogimet’s “Contact� button and sent them a complaint, but just got a
non-delivery message Still, I suppose what you don’t pay for you can
hardly complain about, as my sensible wife says.

Ian Bingham,
Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire.
80m asl.

Many thanks, Norman and Bruce. Long time no-see, eh, Norman!
What I like about this group is that whenever you have a problem, tbere's
always someone who knows the answer, or at least can shed some light.

Ian.

It is, indeed, a long time, Ian. Much longer than either of us probably cares
to ponder!

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr