I know it's been many years since the DT and ST were real quality broadsheets. I also know that the circulation of hard copy is in its death spiral-five years maybe I'd guess before the anachronism of sending hundreds of tons of newsprint round the country every day comes to an end, anyone?-and the papers must be haemorrhaging cash.
Phillip Eden's successor at the ST is Peter Stanford,a lightweight waffler who today came up with a classic.
Talking about the two ways of looking at winter's end, he said that one way was the end of February, and the other was the astrological way-i.e.March 21st.
Like almost everybody and his wife these days, he must have a degree.
Did he get it from the University of Glastonbury?

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 08:40:28 -0800 (PST)
haaark wrote:

I know it's been many years since the DT and ST were real quality
broadsheets. I also know that the circulation of hard copy is in its
death spiral-five years maybe I'd guess before the anachronism of
sending hundreds of tons of newsprint round the country every day
comes to an end, anyone?-and the papers must be haemorrhaging cash.
Phillip Eden's successor at the ST is Peter Stanford,a lightweight
waffler who today came up with a classic. Talking about the two ways
of looking at winter's end, he said that one way was the end of
February, and the other was the astrological way-i.e.March 21st. Like
almost everybody and his wife these days, he must have a degree. Did
he get it from the University of Glastonbury?



Having known quite a few people with degrees for whom a description of
their mental capabilities would properly include "Toc-H lamp" and/or
"two planks of wood", I do sometimes wonder whether degrees are all
they're cracked up to be these days.

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I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
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On Sunday, 21 February 2016 17:00:19 UTC, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 08:40:28 -0800 (PST)
haaark wrote:

I know it's been many years since the DT and ST were real quality
broadsheets. I also know that the circulation of hard copy is in its
death spiral-five years maybe I'd guess before the anachronism of
sending hundreds of tons of newsprint round the country every day
comes to an end, anyone?-and the papers must be haemorrhaging cash.
Phillip Eden's successor at the ST is Peter Stanford,a lightweight
waffler who today came up with a classic. Talking about the two ways
of looking at winter's end, he said that one way was the end of
February, and the other was the astrological way-i.e.March 21st. Like
almost everybody and his wife these days, he must have a degree. Did
he get it from the University of Glastonbury?



Having known quite a few people with degrees for whom a description of
their mental capabilities would properly include "Toc-H lamp" and/or
"two planks of wood", I do sometimes wonder whether degrees are all
they're cracked up to be these days.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
Posted with Claws: http://www.claws-mail.org/

Not all degrees are rubbish, those at the top such as doctorates are probably as good as they ever were. But there is also a huge amount of rubbish and also a vast range of subjects, not all of them exactly academic.
I have seen Chemistry degree papers from the University of Greenwich and I'd say they were easier than the A-levels I took in 1960.
I failed my degree in 1963, the University of North Wales having decided they'd been too easy in the past. Maybe they were but this one was an absolute pig and I had no chance. I got HNC (day release) in 1971 and I'd say it was harder than the Uni. of Greenwich stuff I mentioned earlier.
The number that go to University now is so large that local councils cannot afford the fees and grants, unlike in my day. But it all seems a bit pointless and leaves a distinct impression of being a way of keeping young people away from unemployment, as least temporarily.
I have never had any problem admitting that I failed my degree - it was not a disgrace - but I think I would these days. You need to be a bit of a thicko to fail, it seems.

Tudor Hughes

You, as usual, have no idea, Hughes - but you thought you'd spout on it anyway. 😂😂😂😂 just hilarious.

dawlish Wrote in message:
You, as usual, have no idea, Hughes - but you thought you'd spout on it anyway. ???????? just hilarious.

So how is this response different to Tudor calling you a c*nt? It
is the same message - you just pad yours out with more words,
whereas Tudor cuts to the chase. I would take equal offence from
either response.

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"Freddie" wrote in message ...

I would take equal offence from either response.

Nail + head IMO. But this is the bit that dawlish seems incapable of
understanding. Persistently hectoring, bullying messages are just as
offensive to most as using a few choice words that you'll hear in many pubs
and workplaces any day of the week.

On Monday, 22 February 2016 07:51:45 UTC, Freddie wrote:

So how is this response different to Tudor describing you in public?
It is the same message - you just pad yours out with more words,
whereas Tudor cuts to the chase. I would take equal offence from
either response.

The problem that you missed in this is that dawlish has a degree in education from somewhere in Nigeria probably and from somewhere on the web almost certainly.

Getting back to the OP:
As Tudor said: "Not all degrees are rubbish, those at the top such as doctorates are probably as good as they ever were."

Perhaps he could have been clearer:
Not all degrees are rubbish, (except those in journalism) those at the top such as doctorates are probably as good as they ever were which generally means the majority are given for attending lectures and not disagreeing with anything. Then, at the end of several terms, accumulating enough points for filling forms in correctly to get given your own personal copy of another one.

Why that should impact anything written in the Telegraph now it's most astute writer has left (if such is the case) I can't tell. But as with anyone who has a degree of any degree he won't become an expert for a very long time. And apparently even Mr Eden was succumbing to Thatcherite leanings.

It is one thing to go after the sheep it is another to follow them dawlishly.
I'm reminded of the joke about an astrologer who had a grudge against someone of a certain birth sign. They lost 1/12th of their readers and the editor couldn't think why.

So even if he is fat and shouldn't wear red, let's hope it won't put Young Frederick off his daily dose of Toryism.

On Monday, 22 February 2016 07:51:45 UTC, Freddie wrote:
dawlish Wrote in message:
You, as usual, have no idea, Hughes - but you thought you'd spout on it anyway. ???????? just hilarious.

So how is this response different to Tudor calling you a c*nt? It
is the same message - you just pad yours out with more words,
whereas Tudor cuts to the chase. I would take equal offence from
either response.

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He doesn't like me talking about education in any way, shape or form because he thinks he owns it, God help us. My Dad, who was a deputy headmaster, shall rise from the grave and beat the poo-poo out of him and then include him as a comically deranged character in one of the lighter of the Welsh plays wot he rote.

Tudor Hughes.

Someone in the street you accidentally bump into calls you an idiot.

Someone in the street you accidentally bump into calls you a c*nt.

You'd take similar offence? Really?

No chance. hughes is a foul-mouth and his attempts at applying language to justify his dislike have no place here, or anywhere else for that matter.

SNIP
The number that go to University now is so large that local councils cannot afford the fees and grants, unlike in my day. But it all seems a bit pointless and leaves a distinct impression of being a way of keeping young people away from unemployment, as least temporarily.

Tudor Hughes

I think this is the most important point. Back when I took my degree (1970-73) it was still a very small number (relative to today) that did. However, it meant you got a grant, not a loan. It was all essentially free. It meant you had no financial worries about going, you could go from any background. At that time my parents had little money and we lived on a Council Estate, in the far west of Cornwall. It didn't matter, if you wanted to go you could, and I ended up in NW London sharing with 2 lads from Barnsley.

Now, the policy of 'everyone who wants too should go & Britain will be great again' has made the whole thing unaffordable. So we have a system which works against people from a poorer background. In addition, many go to the nearest university so they can remain at home and saved money.

Getting away from home was too me the greatest experience. (Actually I left home before finishing my 'A' levels, but that's a different story.

Graham
Penzance