On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 10:04:18 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message , Whitehaven
writes
As Churchill said, "If you're not a socialist by you are twenty you
have no heart. If you are not conservative by you are forty, you have
no head".

I think he was plagiarising someone else, but I can't remember who.
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I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
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Whoever it was, they were patronising in the extreme.

Conservatism to me has always been (depending on the flavour) anything from extremist religious fundamentalism penny-pinching spending cuts, or picking on some minority group in society and blaming them for all of society's ills.

The suggestion that you have to be a conservative by the time you're a "fully grown up" adult is quite frankly absurd. I can see little good in conservatism of any flavour.

Nick

On 24/02/2015 19:01, Nick wrote:
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 10:04:18 PM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In message , Whitehaven
writes
As Churchill said, "If you're not a socialist by you are twenty you
have no heart. If you are not conservative by you are forty, you have
no head".

I think he was plagiarising someone else, but I can't remember who.
--
I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
(Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)

Whoever it was, they were patronising in the extreme.

Conservatism to me has always been (depending on the flavour) anything from extremist religious fundamentalism penny-pinching spending cuts, or picking on some minority group in society and blaming them for all of society's ills.

The suggestion that you have to be a conservative by the time you're a "fully grown up" adult is quite frankly absurd. I can see little good in conservatism of any flavour.

Nick


I've learnt over the years that the liberals are anything BUT liberal.
They force their views and beliefs upon the public through laws and
changing the mind set of the public. The liberals hate any criticism of
their dogma.

The labour party was taken over by the middle class liberals in the
1990's they hate the proletariat, they see them as sexist, racist,
homophobic and lastly that great and ubiquitous term to keep people in
line, they see the proletariat has bigoted.

Conservatism favours freedom of speech and expression. The liberals
would say a person wouldn’t shout fire in a cinema. Yet that is a life
and death situation. Nobodies life are in danger when saying or singing
insulting words or songs.

On 24/02/2015 23:21, Brighton wrote:
On 24/02/2015 19:01, Nick wrote:


The suggestion that you have to be a conservative by the time you're a
"fully grown up" adult is quite frankly absurd. I can see little good
in conservatism of any flavour.

Nick


I've learnt over the years that the liberals are anything BUT liberal.
They force their views and beliefs upon the public through laws and
changing the mind set of the public. The liberals hate any criticism of
their dogma.

ISTM those are actually false-flag 'liberals'. I doubt they have any
conception of what the term originally meant!


The labour party was taken over by the middle class liberals in the
1990's they hate the proletariat, they see them as sexist, racist,
homophobic and lastly that great and ubiquitous term to keep people in
line, they see the proletariat has bigoted.

But in rejecting a significant proportion of the electorate as 'the
great unwashed proletariat', not only are they insulting them by
effectively saying their views don't matter, but potentially driving
them into the arms of even more unscrupulous political groups.


Conservatism favours freedom of speech and expression. The liberals
would say a person wouldn’t shout fire in a cinema. Yet that is a life
and death situation. Nobodies life are in danger when saying or singing
insulting words or songs.

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most certainly should have the right to do so.

Col

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:01:23 PM UTC, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most certainly should have the right to do so.

Col

Agreed!

in 413800 20150225 180123 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most certainly should have the right
to do so.

So nothing wrong with what Enoch Powell said?
Should I have the right to insult your wife and children?
There are limits to every freedom.

Bob Martin wrote:

in 413800 20150225 180123 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most
certainly should have the right to do so.

So nothing wrong with what Enoch Powell said?
Should I have the right to insult your wife and children?
There are limits to every freedom.


It would be appreciated if you could take this discussion elsewhere. It has
nothing whatsoever to do with the weather.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org

"Norman" wrote in message
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Bob Martin wrote:

in 413800 20150225 180123 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:


inappropriate stuff snipped


It would be appreciated if you could take this discussion elsewhere. It
has
nothing whatsoever to do with the weather.


Seconded. My killfile is bulging once more :-(

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On 26/02/2015 08:21, Bob Martin wrote:
in 413800 20150225 180123 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most certainly should have the right
to do so.

So nothing wrong with what Enoch Powell said?
Should I have the right to insult your wife and children?
There are limits to every freedom.


Enoch Powell with his rivers of blood speech gave a gift to the
liberals, so much so that even discussing immigration is seen as racist.

You can insult everybody and anybody, be sure to duck when a fist comes
your way!

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:15:02 AM UTC, Brighton wrote:
On 26/02/2015 08:21, Bob Martin wrote:
in 413800 20150225 180123 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:05:12 AM UTC, vidcapper wrote:

Freedom of speech necessarily includes the freedom to be offensive.


Precisely!
I have no particular wish to insult the Prophet Mohammed but I most certainly should have the right
to do so.

So nothing wrong with what Enoch Powell said?
Should I have the right to insult your wife and children?
There are limits to every freedom.


Enoch Powell with his rivers of blood speech gave a gift to the
liberals, so much so that even discussing immigration is seen as racist.

You can insult everybody and anybody, be sure to duck when a fist comes
your way!

Within the law, fascist nutter. Expressing racist views will put you at risk of prosecution. Encapsulated in the 2010 equalities act.

Expressing racist views is illegal.