On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:



I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...







And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T



shirt. Your point being?



Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?



I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.



Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.



Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?



Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the

cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last

before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a

freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How

often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below

average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south

coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and

then 1963 to find colder Marches.

1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.

That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.

1996, 2001 and 2006 had weeks of sustained below average temperatures between Jan 1st and Mar 31st.

I think people have short memories.

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:42:11 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:



On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:



On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:







I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...















And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T







shirt. Your point being?







Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?







I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.







Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.







Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?







Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the



cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last



before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a



freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How



often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below



average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south



coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and



then 1963 to find colder Marches.



1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.



That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.



1996, 2001 and 2006 had weeks of sustained below average temperatures between Jan 1st and Mar 31st.



I think people have short memories.

Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.

Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.

The problem with those early AGW forecasts, were that gullible people believed them.

This was despite the fact that they were based on very coarse data, which seemed to be that over the last 100 years average temperatures had risen, and at the same time the amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere had also increased.

So the computers were loaded with a programme which correlated the two events, and behold, it forecast more warming and a Mediterranean climate for S England.

People tell me not to believe everything in the press and media, but it would seem that these same people will believe anything, as long as it is what they want to hear or read.

Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:


Paul, oops sorry Willie. The point is in the world of AGW snow in winter was to be a thing of the past, let alone snow in spring. I can search if need be but since using this NG what 13 years ago now,this has been the AGW decade where up until December 2010 widespread snowy winters and cold was rare and even though we had some wet summers the basic tome was that AGW had changed our weather for good or until C02 levels were drasically reduced.. There were a bunch of remarks made over the period about spring beggining earlier each year and bang! We now know that it isn't seemingly the case.



The problem with those early AGW forecasts, were that gullible people believed them.



This was despite the fact that they were based on very coarse data, which seemed to be that over the last 100 years average temperatures had risen, and at the same time the amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere had also increased.



So the computers were loaded with a programme which correlated the two events, and behold, it forecast more warming and a Mediterranean climate for S England.



People tell me not to believe everything in the press and media, but it would seem that these same people will believe anything, as long as it is what they want to hear or read.



Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?

Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:45:40 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:


Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?



Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?

I have not wholly disagreed with you throughout the years, but I still believe that a proportion of the warming over the last 60 years is due to greenhouse effects.

I just do not believe that until the computer program can be run in reverse and produce a very similar graph to the past, complete with the slight cooling between 1940 and 1980, that any predictions of the future climate can be relied upon.

On 23/03/13 19:27, willie eckerslike wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:45:40 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:


Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?



Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?

I have not wholly disagreed with you throughout the years, but I still believe that a proportion of the warming over the last 60 years is due to greenhouse effects.

I just do not believe that until the computer program can be run in reverse and produce a very similar graph to the past, complete with the slight cooling between 1940 and 1980, that any predictions of the future climate can be relied upon.


Global climate models have been run on the past climate and can
reproduce the overall trend including the cooling between 1940 and 1960.

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:08:10 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 23/03/13 19:27, willie eckerslike wrote:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:45:40 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:





Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?







Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?



I have not wholly disagreed with you throughout the years, but I still believe that a proportion of the warming over the last 60 years is due to greenhouse effects.



I just do not believe that until the computer program can be run in reverse and produce a very similar graph to the past, complete with the slight cooling between 1940 and 1980, that any predictions of the future climate can be relied upon.





Global climate models have been run on the past climate and can

reproduce the overall trend including the cooling between 1940 and 1960.

But what about the cooling between 1960 and 1980?

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 22:08:10 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 23/03/13 19:27, willie eckerslike wrote:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:45:40 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29:12 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:





Maybe now, people will question the precise data being put into these long range models, before accepting the output as gospel?







Blimey is someone slightly aggreeing with me after all these years?



I have not wholly disagreed with you throughout the years, but I still believe that a proportion of the warming over the last 60 years is due to greenhouse effects.



I just do not believe that until the computer program can be run in reverse and produce a very similar graph to the past, complete with the slight cooling between 1940 and 1980, that any predictions of the future climate can be relied upon.





Global climate models have been run on the past climate and can

reproduce the overall trend including the cooling between 1940 and 1960.

Oh really,maybe they just had a blip with the last 15 years then


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On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:18:48 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:42:11 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:

On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:



On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:







On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:







On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:















I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...































And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T















shirt. Your point being?















Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?















I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.















Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C.















Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?















Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the







cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last







before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a







freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters. How







often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below







average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south







coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and







then 1963 to find colder Marches.







1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.







That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.

On Sunday, 24 March 2013 09:18:45 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:18:48 PM UTC, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Saturday, 23 March 2013 17:42:11 UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:



On Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:28:46 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:







On 23/03/13 09:11, willie eckerslike wrote:















On Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:















On 22/03/13 22:11, Lawrence13 wrote:































I'm sitting here typing in SE London with two pullovers on...































































And this time last year I was happily wandering around outside in a T































shirt. Your point being?































Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Have we never experienced snow in March before?































I have photos somewhere of 4 inches of snow in my garden almost covering the flowering tulips. That must have been well into April. The photos were taken sometime in the 1990s but I don't remember the whole country descending into a panic then.































Neither do I remember too much panic when snow covered the cricket pitch in Buxton on 2nd June 1975 and the midday temp at Colchester was 2C..































Maybe you are all watching too many news bulletins from the hysterical TV presenters, and these have rotted the memory?































Missing the point. It is not about snow it is about the duration of the















cold. How long in those examples you give did the cold and snow last















before it got milder again? I can tell you June 1975 was no more than a















freak few days then immediately followed by a heatwave for starters.. How















often at this time of year do you get 3+ weeks of SUSTAINED well below















average temperatures with no milder interludes right down to the south















coast and beyond. Can't be very often if you have to go back to 1987 and















then 1963 to find colder Marches.















1986 was a cold February, a below average March, and followed by an almost as cold April.















That is pretty sustained, and May was nothing to write home about either.















1996, 2001 and 2006 had weeks of sustained below average temperatures between Jan 1st and Mar 31st.















I think people have short memories.







Paul, oops sorry Willie.



You have a mental confusion which is compatible with your age and far right-wing viewpoints.



a) The present, temporary, colder than average weather in the UK does not mean GW has stopped. The UK is a tiny, tiny area of the world and is not to be considered when talking about GW.



b) Only you thinks that someone used the record-breaking warmth of last Last year's mild, very dry spring to say it was a sign of a warmer world and you cannot evidence that. However you use the cold as exactly that kind of "evidence", as the cold is in your back yard.



c) Where you get this from; "Sea ice is about tshow another increase upwards (sic)", no-one would know.



d) Thank goodness no-one listens to people like you.



Please try not to be foul-mouthed, threatening and aggressive in your reply. Indeed; read what I've put, let it sink in and don't bother, would be a better course of action for you.

Charming and gracious as usual. But as you feel I'm of a doddery age , why not meet me and see how doddery I am. I've seen your photo and your psyche shows all the hallmarks of a man not happy with his height.