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Unusual to have so much snow and not major quakes. I would have
supposed the islands south of Japan would be pretty active but there
are relatively few earthquakes of even low magnitude. Nothing over 5.2
or 3 in a while.

Things look like injecting at least one shaker he

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/char...Refresh+ View


Look at the blue line of precipitation from Africa for today and
tomorrow.

When it runs straight in it means a high 5 or a low 6. When it is
joined by precipitate from anothetr continent it means larger and
stuff from 3 continents mean very large magnitude. (But it's OK
nothing too bad is being projected.)


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I like the way all those little low pressures are dancing around Antarctica.

They are obviously enacting some ancient druid ritual, but who is controlling them?

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"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
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Unusual to have so much snow and not major quakes. I would have
supposed the islands south of Japan would be pretty active but there
are relatively few earthquakes of even low magnitude. Nothing over 5.2
or 3 in a while.

Things look like injecting at least one shaker he

http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/char...Refresh+ View


Look at the blue line of precipitation from Africa for today and
tomorrow.

When it runs straight in it means a high 5 or a low 6. When it is
joined by precipitate from anothetr continent it means larger and
stuff from 3 continents mean very large magnitude. (But it's OK
nothing too bad is being projected.)


My old granny swore it was an earthquake when she fell out of bed last night
in Ponders End !

RonB





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On Jan 23, 4:30*pm, "ron button" wrote:
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Unusual to have so much snow and not major quakes. I would have
supposed the islands south of Japan would be pretty active but there
are relatively few earthquakes of even low magnitude. Nothing over 5.2
or 3 in a while.


Things look like injecting at least one shaker he


http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/char...ml?type=mslp-p....


Look at the blue line of precipitation from Africa for today and
tomorrow.


When it runs straight in it means a high 5 or a low 6. When it is
joined by precipitate from anothetr continent it means larger and
stuff from 3 continents mean very *large magnitude. (But it's OK
nothing too bad is being projected.)


My old granny swore it was an earthquake when she fell out of bed last night
in Ponders End !


Off the charts was she?

+72 looks a bit off colour for its age:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/..._pressure.html


Closely followed by a really hefty looking tropical storm antitype.
Usually there is a large convergence of seismic waves prior to the
genesis of a tropical storm. And if this one is the doozey it looks
like, it sould be at least a mag 6.5 M.

t+24 the cyclone hits Greenland and runs backwards to the Davis
Straight. All the purple mice break up and then the weather gets a
haircut, shower and a shave but not necessarily in that order.
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On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:29:28 PM UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:
I like the way all those little low pressures are dancing around Antarctica.



They are obviously enacting some ancient druid ritual, but who is controlling them?


Piers?


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On Jan 23, 5:00*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...n/printall.php

Cities impact rainfall and can create their own rain and storms.
More rain falls downwind of some major urban areas than in the
surrounding countryside. These local processes tend to be
hidden by large weather fronts crossing continents.

During summer, weather tends to be generated by local processes:
hot, humid air piles up along the face of a mountain, triggering a
thunderstorm; cool moist air blows off a lake, collides with hot air
over land and rain clouds form.

For more than a century, scientists had suspected that cities impact
or create rain and influence summer weather.

Shepherd, Pierce and Negri, at NASA focused on five cities in
south-central and southeastern USA and established
the urban environment affecting the regions.
They found 20 percent greater rainfall per hour, downwind of cities
compared upwind.

Air is unstable when it is warmer than the air that surrounds it.
Once the air is lifted, it will continue to rise. Cities are a source
of lift.

Cities are made with heat-absorbing building materialswhich provide a
source of lift to push warm, moist, surface air into the cooler air
above. They have machines that pump heat into the atmosphere and they
lack cooling vegetation. Average city temperatures can be six to eight
degrees Fahrenheit higher than surrounding rural and suburban
landscapes. This may disrupt the flow of air over the Earth’s surface.

Storms approaching Atlanta or Baltimore from the west split around the
cities because of the urban heat island. When they reconnect the two
halves of the storm come back together downwind of the city
(convergence) the rising air forms rain clouds.

City pollution also impacts cloud formation. All rain needs aerosols
to form. But aerosols of city pollution are smaller and more numerous
than natural aerosols. With lots of particles to collect on, water
coalesces as many tiny droplets instead of larger rain-sized drops
Some urban aerosols suppress rain but in others they increase it.

Temperature difference between the air near the ground and the
atmosphere above may be one key difference. More rain can occur when a
bubble of heated air forms over a very warm area. It rises faster and
climbs higher droplets that would normally fall out at a lower
elevation are smaller and go higher turn to ice and release heat.

In an heat island -with no lateral wind sheer, the extra heat may take
the bubble of air higher and faster.


Isn't this exactly what happens with tropical storms?
They too are heat islands.

And with moist air continually below, more moist air is
sucked up. The effect only happens when the system has "thunder-storm
potential" (hot, humid and little or no wind sheer) and when the air
near the surface is moist.

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On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57:47 PM UTC, Peter Hemming wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:29:28 PM UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:





They are obviously enacting some ancient druid ritual, but who is controlling them?




Piers?


OMG! We are doomed.

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On Jan 23, 5:30*pm, willie eckerslike
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On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:57:47 PM UTC, Peter Hemming wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:29:28 PM UTC, willie eckerslike wrote:


They are obviously enacting some ancient druid ritual, but who is controlling them?


Piers?


OMG! We are doomed.


That Australian chart is pretty good forecasting material for tropical
storms and for earthquakes. This despite it being most probably the
least data rich model run online.

Which just goes to show how ingenious the boys in the back room have
become since the days of Richardson. Just imagine the power thse
models would be given if they were run by people who had my courage
and enthusiasm.

Or god's blessing.
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On Jan 24, 1:55*pm, wrote:
what happened: above average EQ on Pacific plates circumferences then continued uplift in thw USA West.We would expect another Baja quake.

less than global.

the UK quake is a continuation of the tranverse quake series across USA

?

Look at NOAA 'FORECAST' then maps...quakes follow the passage of pulses from polar region to Gulf of Mexico


I'm expecting a lage 5 or small 6 for today.
There is a large cyclone developing in the North Atlantic. If it's
with a new storm in the tropics (an mid-ocean heat island effect)
there will be more than a small 6 to signal it.

But it just looks like it is Gary developing into a Cat 2 or 3.
No idea what sizes will be involved with that.
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On Jan 25, 3:13*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:55*pm, wrote:

what happened: above average EQ on Pacific plates circumferences then continued uplift in thw USA West.We would expect another Baja quake.


less than global.


the UK quake is a continuation of the tranverse quake series across USA


?


Look at NOAA 'FORECAST' then maps...quakes follow the passage of pulses from polar region to Gulf of Mexico


I'm expecting a lage 5 or small 6 for today.
There is a large cyclone developing in the North Atlantic. If it's
with a new storm in the tropics (an mid-ocean heat island effect)
there will be more than a small 6 to signal it.

But it just looks like it is Gary developing into a Cat 2 or 3.
No idea what sizes will be involved with that.


So that was the big deal with tropical storms.

2013/01/27
5.2 M. RYUKYU ISLANDS, JAPAN
5.2 M. SOUTHERN EAST PACIFIC RISE
5.1 M. NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
5.1 M. SOUTHERN EAST PACIFIC RISE
5.7 M. TONGA
5.0 M. SOUTHERN SUMATRA, INDONESIA

Ah well, you can't forecast any more events than there are events to
schedule.

The Met Office is showing that once deep Low is now a triple centre.
That means a sequence of triple earthquakes probably of 4.8 magnitude
sharing the same epicentre. Probably the Tonga area. Or more Likely
Tuvalu or one of the other sets of islands around that neck of the
woods.

And a run of much smaller stuff in the usual suspects. Virgin Islands
to Hawaii?



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