Still trending way above average
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

"Lawrence13" wrote in message
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Still trending way above average
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Shame, I was hoping that this might be a typo for Anarchic sea ice but maybe
another day?

So, 2-3% above average qualifies as 'way above average'? What adjectival
locker could you possibly raid to describe the current Arctic sea ice which
is around 34% below average by my eyeball? So let's say the Arctic anomaly
is around 15x larger (right now, as a snapshot) than the Antarctic anomaly.
Maybe 'incredibly below average' could do?

JGD

On Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:28:21 UTC+1, johnd wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote in message

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Still trending way above average

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png



Shame, I was hoping that this might be a typo for Anarchic sea ice but maybe

another day?



So, 2-3% above average qualifies as 'way above average'? What adjectival

locker could you possibly raid to describe the current Arctic sea ice which

is around 34% below average by my eyeball? So let's say the Arctic anomaly

is around 15x larger (right now, as a snapshot) than the Antarctic anomaly.

Maybe 'incredibly below average' could do?



JGD

Are you contesting my assertion that the Anarctic sea ice is above above normal and has been for some years or do say it's otherwise. I mean, I'm not contestion that the Arctic ice isn't below normal. Why do you have problems with this ?

"Lawrence13" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:28:21 UTC+1, johnd wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote in message

...

Still trending way above average

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png



Shame, I was hoping that this might be a typo for Anarchic sea ice but
maybe

another day?



So, 2-3% above average qualifies as 'way above average'? What adjectival

locker could you possibly raid to describe the current Arctic sea ice
which

is around 34% below average by my eyeball? So let's say the Arctic
anomaly

is around 15x larger (right now, as a snapshot) than the Antarctic
anomaly.

Maybe 'incredibly below average' could do?



JGD

Are you contesting my assertion that the Anarctic sea ice is above above
normal and has been for some years or do say it's otherwise. I mean, I'm
not contestion that the Arctic ice isn't below normal. Why do you have
problems with this ?

No, he's contesting your assertion that Antarctic sea ice is *way* above
average,
which is what you originally said. Such descriptions are of course
subjective, but
I'm sure the vast majority of people would describe the Antarctic ice as a
*little*
above average.

As for the Arctic:
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/...ent_prev_L.png

It's not all over until the end of September but it would take a brave
man to bet against the minimum extent being lower than 2007.

So taking the sea ice extent at both poles together, overall global sea
ice is still *way* below average.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:05:53 PM UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:
Still trending way above average

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

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A small amount above average. Are we to infer something from this?

Antactica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/?FuseAc...ews&NewsID=242


Stephen.

On Wednesday, 15 August 2012 15:53:01 UTC+1, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:05:53 PM UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:

Still trending way above average



http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png



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A small amount above average. Are we to infer something from this?



Antactica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.



http://climate.nasa.gov/news/?FuseAc...ews&NewsID=242





Stephen.

Ah so at last you accept it's gaining sea ice, good that's a start. Now from the very hand wringers themselves acceptance it's growing colder as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...getting-warmer

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:41:00 PM UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:


Ah so at last you accept it's gaining sea ice, good that's a start. Now from the very hand wringers themselves acceptance it's growing colder as well.

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What do you mean "*at last* you accept it's gaining sea ice..."? I don't doubt that it's gaining sea ice - at what rate is it? 1% per decade? Goodness. You didn't make clear what it is we are supposed to be inferring.

Did you comprehend what you were reading? Did you also read the link I posted? Do *you* accept that the Antarctic is losing land ice at an accelerating rate? Far faster than sea-ice is growing? Seeing that you cited an article that makes this clear then I assume that you do. Why do you think that is?

Actually, let's call these rhetorical questions. I've made the exhausting mistake before of getting dragged into these sorts of discussions and I'm not really interested in disappearing into that black hole again, especially when it seems that it cannot be discussed without the use of pejoratives like "hand-wringers".

Stephen.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:53:01 -0700 (PDT)
Stephen Davenport wrote:

On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:05:53 PM UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:
Still trending way above average

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

==========

A small amount above average. Are we to infer something from this?

Antactica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/?FuseAc...ews&NewsID=242



Several years ago, I suggested that the two were connected; the melting
of the land ice cooling the sea around Antarctica and lowering the
salinity, thus enabling a greater amount of sea-ice to be formed. The
latest "official" theory has moved a little in my direction by
suggesting that cooling and freshening of the ocean is a cause of
increased sea-ice but putting the responsibility for that onto increased
precipitation.

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