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I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian,
Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...till-climbing/ Just thought I'd make this point. |
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http://wattsupwiththat.com ....and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? -- Am I the only Gareth Slee? http://garethslee.com |
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On Oct 16, 8:30*pm, wrote:
I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if *Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...w-287-higher-t... Just thought I'd make this point. When St Andrew's course becomes a link: http://wattsupwiththat.com/ when the deniers for the first time think. And the very green is on the brink. What will be will be. When the bunker at high tide is sea when the Glowballers are shouting: "See!" Then you will have lived another 42 years, so who cares? |
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On Oct 16, 8:30*pm, wrote:
I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if *Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...w-287-higher-t... Just thought I'd make this point. Lawrence; there are many times in the re-freeze and the melt seasons when a snapshot appears to paint a picture. Don't be taken in by it would be my advice. Look at the pattern of reducing summer Arctic Sea ice over time. That's the only thing that actually means anything in this. Wherever we appear to be in October means very little. Really. So many times I've had to argue this point in the last few years and the person who posts that something special is happening because area A, or B, has more ice than last year, or that the pace of freezing is quick, or the pace of melting seems slow, find it hard to accept that a snapshot means nothing - but that's the case. I don't post a lot in either the re-freeze, or the melt seasons until we get closer to the the nadir of the low. It's cold up there at present. Things freeze when it is cold and there's a lot of sea to freeze. Don't worry about it. See where we are heading next July instead. The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Nice try, but you can't expect me to argue against something that I believe to be true! |
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On Oct 16, 9:34*pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote:
wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. |
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On Oct 16, 9:48*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 16, 8:30*pm, wrote: I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if *Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...w-287-higher-t... Just thought I'd make this point. Lawrence; there are many times in the re-freeze and the melt seasons when a snapshot appears to paint a picture. Don't be taken in by it would be my advice. Look at the pattern of reducing summer Arctic Sea ice over time. That's the only thing that actually means anything in this. Wherever we appear to be in October means very little. Really. So many times I've had to argue this point in the last few years and the person who posts that something special is happening because area A, or B, has more ice than last year, or that the pace of freezing is quick, or the pace of melting seems slow, find it hard to accept that a snapshot means nothing - but that's the case. I don't post a lot in either the re-freeze, or the melt seasons until we get closer to the the nadir of the low. It's cold up there at present. Things freeze when it is cold and there's a lot of sea to freeze. Don't worry about it. See where we are heading next July instead. The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Nice try, but you can't expect me to argue against something that I believe to be true! Sorry to seem a tad impolite but my point was that you and others were quick of the mark when it was melting beyonf the norm (I still won the bet by the way) but no where to be seen when the opposite is the case. TBH if the Arctic reached 1978-2008 |
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On Oct 16, 10:46*pm, wrote:
On Oct 16, 9:48*pm, Dawlish wrote: On Oct 16, 8:30*pm, wrote: I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if *Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...w-287-higher-t... Just thought I'd make this point. Lawrence; there are many times in the re-freeze and the melt seasons when a snapshot appears to paint a picture. Don't be taken in by it would be my advice. Look at the pattern of reducing summer Arctic Sea ice over time. That's the only thing that actually means anything in this. Wherever we appear to be in October means very little. Really. So many times I've had to argue this point in the last few years and the person who posts that something special is happening because area A, or B, has more ice than last year, or that the pace of freezing is quick, or the pace of melting seems slow, find it hard to accept that a snapshot means nothing - but that's the case. I don't post a lot in either the re-freeze, or the melt seasons until we get closer to the the nadir of the low. It's cold up there at present. Things freeze when it is cold and there's a lot of sea to freeze. Don't worry about it. See where we are heading next July instead. The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Nice try, but you can't expect me to argue against something that I believe to be true! Sorry to seem a tad impolite but my point was that you and others were quick of the mark when it was melting *beyonf the norm (I still won the bet by the way) but no where to be seen when the opposite is the case. TBH if the Arctic reached 1978-2008- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are not impolite in the slightest! However, if you look at the anomaly on Cryosphere, it has remained constant at -2m km2 through the start of the melt season, compared to the 1971-2000 mean. as a result, I fail to see how this re-freeze is so incredible. In addition, just look at the pace of last year's re-freeze from late Oct to early Nov. and compare it to the first month of this year's re-freeze. I hope you will come back after the first week of November and talk to us about the continuing comparative pace of this year's re-freeze. I feel you are, perhaps, being drawn in by a temporary, cold, synoptic set-up. I was not "quick off the mark" Lawrence, I've commented in great detail on Arctic Sea ice for the last 4 years and I was neither quicker, nor slower than I was in each of the other 3 years! You did win the bet! Well done! It was close, but no record. I would have paid out gladly, the bookmaker having lost. I have a book for next year on totally!, if you would be interested! *)) No record being set = evens. A new record = 4/5. Tempting eh? Especially with what you feel about this re-freeze! http://totallyweatherandclimate.co.uk/ Like I say; take wherever we are now with a pinch of salt (damn, that'll melt it) and see where we are again next July. |
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wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave |
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On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Quite right historicity is not a science. All the black slaves not exported to Jamaica in time for the new Wilberforce laws earlier that century would have been absorbed into the mainstream by Victorian times? Besides which whoever played it, the real life model would have been so covered in soot and street grime that it wouldn't have been obvious except on a BBC production. In the meantime the lack of scientific talent at the Blue Peter output end of things wouldn't have got lost entirely. It's just that the facts the same scientists who brought us news of a carbon dioxide increase of 70 parts per million also brought us news of a mid day background level and news of a fall of 400 parts per million of oxygen molecules (presumably apart from the CO2?) though from watching either BBC, ITV C4 or 5, you'd still be ignorant. Even reading the churlish nonentities such as that amoeba: Dawlish, you would gain little insight. Those two overlooked vital signs require the introduction of an inverse law and that could get scientific. |
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I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...till-climbing/ Just thought I'd make this point. Ice coverage is still only about 75% of normal and is also much thinner than normal. As the Stock Market is so much in the news, I'll borrow a phrase from that and say this "rebound" is merely a "dead cat bounce" and the decline will continue. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy |
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On Oct 17, 10:59*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Quite right historicity is not a science. All the black slaves not exported to Jamaica in time for the new Wilberforce laws earlier that century would have been absorbed into the mainstream by Victorian times? Besides which whoever played it, the real life model would have been so covered in soot and street grime that it wouldn't have been obvious except on a BBC production. In the meantime the lack of scientific talent at the Blue Peter output end of things wouldn't have got lost entirely. It's just that the facts the same scientists who brought us news of a carbon dioxide increase of 70 parts per million also brought us news of a mid day background level and news of a fall of 400 parts per million of oxygen molecules (presumably apart from the CO2?) though from watching either BBC, ITV C4 or 5, you'd still be ignorant. Even reading the churlish nonentities such as that amoeba: Dawlish, you would gain little insight. Those two overlooked vital signs require the introduction of an inverse law and that could get scientific.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Constant abuse is very tedious, W. Try another tack? Like predicting the next Earthquake? I know it hurts a little when I ask the impossible, because of your complete faliure to reply - mainly because your outcome stats of 12.5% accuracy since April don't do you many favours! |
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wrote in message ... I've noticed that al the 'usual suspects' the BBC, Guardian, Independent and of course the son of a affluent professional marxist; now whats his name ..ah yes the boy Ed Milliband and associates, are all keeping very quiet about the remarkable recovery of the Arctic sea ice. I'm not too sure if Alastair and Dawlish posted-they usualy do if the ice news is grim; but if never ceases to amaze me how all those that are concerned that we heading for melt down stay silent when the disaster is postponed. The BBC are notorious for this but I digress the Arctic ice is rebounding with seemingly,enthusiasm. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/1...till-climbing/ Just thought I'd make this point. Thanks Lawrence, just keep those points of view and other information coming. I'm not entirely convinced that the planet is heading for disaster either, despite undisputable warming. Will -- |
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The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Try telling that to the Polar Bears! Graham Penzance |
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On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for "I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. |
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On Oct 17, 2:31*pm, Graham Easterling
wrote: The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Try telling that to the Polar Bears! Graham Penzance Nah. What they'll do is adapt. They'll take to sunning themselves in the summer, outside the Macdonalds in Churchill and feeding on the leftovers. |
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... Didn't Ben Kingsley play Gandhi? I must have forgotten the ensuing riots. :) -- John Hall Morgan Freeman as God!?? (Bruce Almightly) Alanis Morissette as God!?? (Dogma) George Burns as God!?? (Oh God!) Not to mention...Joe *******i, Dawlish, Weatherlawyer.....and then to top it all...the months of June/July/August acting as Summer 2008!!?? It's mad, I tell ya, mad...! |
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Morgan Freeman as God!?? (Bruce Almightly)
Alanis Morissette as God!?? (Dogma) George Burns as God!?? (Oh God!) Didn't you know that gods don't exist? So it doesn't matter who plays it as they are playing something that is non-existent anyway. No problem methinks. Agreed about the Summer of 2008, what a load of pretence that was. ________________ Nick. Otter Valley, Devon 83 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk |
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"Nick G" wrote in message
... Morgan Freeman as God!?? (Bruce Almightly) Alanis Morissette as God!?? (Dogma) George Burns as God!?? (Oh God!) Didn't you know that gods don't exist? So it doesn't matter who plays it as they are playing something that is non-existent anyway. No problem methinks. Agreed about the Summer of 2008, what a load of pretence that was. ________________ Nick. Otter Valley, Devon 83 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk I'm of the same opinion, Nick, but the post was in the context of fictional characters and who played them, was it not? Anyway, on that basis why make a comment about Summer of 2008 which itself was practically fictituous in the context of what we hope a summer will be!!! ;-) (what a way to go off-topic!) Joe |
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I'm of the same opinion, Nick, but the post was in the context of
fictional characters and who played them, was it not? Anyway, on that basis why make a comment about Summer of 2008 which itself was practically fictituous in the context of what we hope a summer will be!!! ;-) (what a way to go off-topic!) True. I was only trying to be tongue-in-cheek and all that malarkey but electronic communication etc can be difficult to get the humour/irony etc across without being misunderstood/misinterpreted. I suppose that's why they invented emoticons, but I never got used to those. Aye, off topic!! The end. 11 dry consecutive days here. No grass or air frost as yet though last night came close with a grass min of 2.2°C. ________________ Nick. Otter Valley, Devon 83 m amsl http://www.ottervalley.co.uk |
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True. I was only trying to be tongue-in-cheek and all that malarkey but
electronic communication etc can be difficult to get the humour/irony etc across without being misunderstood/misinterpreted. I suppose that's why they invented emoticons, but I never got used to those. ;-) Indeed!!! Mine were tongue-in-whiskey glass (lovely Tullamore Dew Irish) but I know what you mean!! ....all change weatherwise this coming Saturday night / Sunday! I have a wedding to go to on Saturday and I reckon the couple are very lucky given what's coming... The first notable Autumn storm cometh... |
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On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for "I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy |
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On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message .... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for *"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified.. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to pay for Britains Colonial Past. Personally I find it patronising and at worst dangerous. Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf thrashing angst to report on any climate news that contradict the doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by ideology. Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.? |
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On Oct 17, 7:10*pm, "jcw999" wrote:
"John Hall" wrote in message ... Didn't Ben Kingsley play Gandhi? I must have forgotten the ensuing riots. :) -- John Hall Morgan Freeman as God!?? (Bruce Almightly) Alanis Morissette as God!?? (Dogma) George Burns as God!?? (Oh God!) Not to mention...Joe *******i, Dawlish, Weatherlawyer.....and then to top it all...the months of June/July/August acting as Summer 2008!!?? It's mad, I tell ya, mad...! I have no problem with Morgan Freeman playing God as he is a fine actor and God althougfh a fictional character has no known race. However 19th century London...........come on that's totally non representitive of a period drama, I see that the black actress martha jones has been cast in the new BBC production of Little Dorrit. Now as historical context and accuracy now not being importatnt on certain occassions, maybe the BBC will take this opporunity to introduce a homosexual moblie phone saleman into this wonderful Dickens period peice. |
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On Oct 17, 6:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:31*pm, Graham Easterling wrote: The "disaster" is a nice straw man, but I'm not sure anybody believes that no summer Arctic Sea ice at all will be a disaster. Try telling that to the Polar Bears! Graham Penzance Nah. What they'll do is adapt. They'll take to sunning themselves in the summer, outside the Macdonalds in Churchill and feeding on the leftovers. Foxes in London just love fast food. |
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On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote: wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for *"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the other way round In what way is Nancy obviously white? You appear to have a major hang-up about the colour of a person's skin. |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:06:34 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article , says... Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838? Erm. Yes. By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. |
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On Oct 18, 11:36*am, Paul C wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:06:34 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote: In article , says... Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838? Erm. Yes. By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. And they were all Dickens characters-remarkable. |
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On Oct 18, 8:58 am, Graham P Davis wrote:
wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20 am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for "I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? I object to the use of the name Nancy. Not PC or true. |
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On Oct 18, 11:19 am, wrote:
On Oct 18, 8:58 am, Graham P Davis wrote: wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20 am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant playing the part of Nelson Mandella, now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for "I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me I forgot the novel Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing view. In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to pay for Britains Colonial Past. Personally I find it patronising and at worst dangerous. Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf thrashing angst to report on any climate news that contradict the doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by ideology. Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.? Ah Lawrence, if only you could be convinced that speaking that way of US politicians is also a viable pastime for the astute... |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article , says... Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838? Erm. Yes. By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I expected a yes. I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England. "Following the end of hostilities at the conclusions of the Seven Years War in 1763 and the American War in 1783, a large number of black men and women from Africa, the Caribbean and North America settled in London. By the last quarter of the eighteenth century the black population of London is estimated to have been between 5,000 and 10,000." http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/stati...-of-london.jsp |
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On Oct 18, 11:56*am, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article , says... Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838? Erm. Yes. By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I expected a yes. I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England. -- Alan LeHun The other issue was that as slavery was replaced with industrialistation the the actuall presence of black people fell in London the only other enclaves were communities near the dock areas with Canning Town being mentioned. I'm not having a go at 'any group people ' per se being represented if its historically and socially in context. I was merely illustrating that the BBc are 'ncreasingly 'making it up' to salve their guilty conciences, however revising history is not the way to do it. Further to that all this was only to underline how the BBc discard the climate news that doesn't suit their agenda. |
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On Oct 18, 12:12*pm, Paul C wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:56:50 +0100, Alan LeHun wrote: In article , says... Did Dickens actually ever meet a black person before 1838? Erm. Yes. By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. Fair enough. I thought that in his position he would have kept company with the various people who employed (sponsored, whatever) these immigrants (who were mostly brought in to do household duties) so I expected a yes. I didn't expect your figure though. Immigration was piecemeal before about 1815 when I thought (without much confidence, admittedly) that the figure was less than 10,000 for the whole of England. "Following the end of hostilities at the conclusions of the Seven Years War in 1763 and the American War in 1783, a large number of black men and women from Africa, the Caribbean and North America settled in London. By the last quarter of the eighteenth century the black population of London is estimated to have been between 5,000 and 10,000."http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/static/Population-history-of-london.jsp- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The BBC have obviously seized thse numbers to allow them to slave their guilt. I would have thought though that any black community living in London (apparently Canning town) would have been very much isolated and not part of the mainstream fabric of London life. I believe the population of London at that time was two and a half million versus a dubious ten thousand. My only point is that the BBC distort reality to create the world into the image of the Hamptead,Islington and increasingly Dulwich set. |
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On Oct 18, 11:19*am, wrote:
On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote: wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message .... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for *"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing view. *In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to pay for Britains Colonial Past. *Personally I find it patronising and at worst dangerous. Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf thrashing angst to report *on any climate news that contradict the doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by ideology. Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wrong newsgroup, Lawrence, as usual. You could always join the Fox News Appreciation Society if you want to be surrounded by like minds. Tudor Hughes |
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On Oct 18, 3:44*pm, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Oct 18, 11:19*am, wrote: On Oct 18, 8:58*am, Graham P Davis wrote: wrote: On Oct 17, 10:20*am, "Dave Cornwell" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 16, 9:34 pm, (Gareth Slee) wrote: wrote: http://wattsupwiththat.com ...and that's a more reliable source than the BBC? Yes Gareth, the same BBC that gave us is latest production of Oliver Twist casting a black girl as Nancy. Ideology over reality every time. --------------------- It wouldn't occur to you that she might have been the best actress at the audition would it? I saw it and thought she was a brilliant Nancy and don't see what difference it makes. I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy....." Dave No Dave it didn't occurr to me that she was the best actress for the job, not in a million years. Taking your logic a step further, how about Hugh Grant *playing the part of Nelson Mandella, *now that would cause riots amongst the Guardinista's . As for *"I don't recall the line in the novel "Bill Sikes' girlfriend, the poor white girl, Nancy" Silly me *I forgot the novel *Winston Twista was set against the backdrop of the Notting Hill Carnival.. You still seem to be confusing fictional characters with real ones. Just to clarify the matter, Nelson Mandela is a real person who is black and Nancy was a fictional character whose race was, as far as I know, not specified. So why have you such a problem with Nancy not being played by a white person? -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. *E-mail: newsman not newsboy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simply this: The bbc are doing this all the time at every opportunity they try and portray the world to suit their cringing self-loathing view. *In these more enlightened days there would rightly be an outcry to have a white actor play an obviously black character, but when the other way round -and with the BBc this is happening increasingly , the BBC (lefty white middle classes) feel thats acceptable as a price to pay for Britains Colonial Past. *Personally I find it patronising and at worst dangerous. Anyhow my thread was about the BBC failing in their birch leaf thrashing angst to report *on any climate news that contradict the doomsaying AGW bandwagon. This is no mistake, it is because the BBC and I 'll through in UKMO here; are incresasingly being lead by ideology. Now does anyone on this group have an explantion other than that; or do you feel the BBC's coverge on climate is fair an impartial.?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * * Wrong newsgroup, Lawrence, as usual. * You could always join the Fox News Appreciation Society if you want to be surrounded by like minds. Tudor Hughes- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Had a drink with Nicky last night, his dad's 90th. He reckons your Trombone playing has improved exponentially. |
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Paul C writes: By the last quarter of the 18th century there were estimated to be up to 10,000 black people in London. I'm always a little suspicious when people say "up to". Do you happen to know what the best estimate of the number is? -- John Hall "If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me." Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) |
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