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On Oct 19, 6:45*pm, wrote:


How does that explain the Subday Mirror and Sunday Telegaph artices
and Nigel Calders book?

The post war cooling was very obvious right through the sixties only
ten years earlier Einstein was writing a glowing preface to Charles
Hapgoods apparent destruction of the theory of plate tectonics. I
think people forget how things rapidly change, Cooling wasn't a theory
it actually was a concern that had veen picked up by a less distorted
media than today. Again people want to revise history to suit their
view of the world.

Who is revising history? I have cited a scholarly article from the
Bulletin of the AMS which clearly shows the greater ('warming')
consensus amongst those publishing papers on the subject of climate
change.

Post-war cooling was indeed obvious, and perhaps that is why the
Mirror and Telegraph picked up on the relatively few instances of
predictions of cooling over a far longer period. But who knows? How do
you explain the Express these days publishing the 'long-range
forecasts' that they do? The press will do do as it pleases, and
perhaps that is where one needs to look for revisionism.

As for Dickens: Would you think it correct if a period drama had white
tribesmen amongst the Ibo people of west africa ? Of course not. TYhe
BBC are revising the accuracy of historic events to atone for the sins
of the slave trade. *As I said in another post a young Blacl actress
iis to star in a new production of little dorrit.


I think it has been pointed out before, but Oliver Twist and Little
Dorrit are not 'historical events'. And your analogy is doubly false:
Sophie Okenedo is English; white people depicting the Ibo would not be
Ibo. But was it ever a problem for all those white guys down the years
to portray Othello?

Did you know, by the way, that the majority population in Limehouse
(where Oliver Twist was set) was black at that time? And again: where
is the cut-off for skin tone where one is allowed to appear in a
dramatisation of Dickens? The BBC's Oliver Twist was an interpretation
of a novel, and therefore exhibited dramatic license at worst. The dog
was the wrong breed, I think - was that a problem?

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On Oct 20, 12:13*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Oct 19, 6:45*pm, wrote:



How does that explain the Subday Mirror and Sunday Telegaph artices
and Nigel Calders book?

The post war cooling was very obvious right through the sixties only
ten years earlier Einstein was writing a glowing preface to Charles
Hapgoods apparent destruction of the theory of plate tectonics. I
think people forget how things rapidly change, Cooling wasn't a theory
it actually was a concern that had veen picked up by a less distorted
media than today. Again people want to revise history to suit their
view of the world.

Who is revising history? I have cited a scholarly article from the
Bulletin of the AMS which clearly shows the greater ('warming')
consensus amongst those publishing papers on the subject of climate
change.

Post-war cooling was indeed obvious, and perhaps that is why the
Mirror and Telegraph picked up on the relatively few instances of
predictions of cooling over a far longer period. But who knows? How do
you explain the Express these days publishing the 'long-range
forecasts' that they do? The press will do do as it pleases, and
perhaps that is where one needs to look for revisionism.



As for Dickens: Would you think it correct if a period drama had white
tribesmen amongst the Ibo people of west africa ? Of course not. TYhe
BBC are revising the accuracy of historic events to atone for the sins
of the slave trade. *As I said in another post a young Blacl actress
iis to star in a new production of little dorrit.

I think it has been pointed out before, but Oliver Twist and Little
Dorrit are not 'historical events'. And your analogy is doubly false:
Sophie Okenedo is English; white people depicting the Ibo would not be
Ibo. But was it ever a problem for all those white guys down the years
to portray Othello?

Did you know, by the way, that the majority population in Limehouse
(where Oliver Twist was set) was black at that time? *And again: where
is the cut-off for skin tone where one is allowed to appear in a
dramatisation of Dickens? The BBC's Oliver Twist was an interpretation
of a novel, and therefore exhibited dramatic license at worst. The dog
was the wrong breed, I think - was that a problem?

Hmmm i think this is an interesting observation from several years
ago; of course it was from a well known racialist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/se...aceandreligion

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On Oct 20, 11:47*am, Graham P Davis wrote:


There were a couple of ice-age panics in the media. One in the sixties was
triggered by the Met Office long-range-forecasting group and was based on
100-year cycles. What it was forecasting was another Little Ice Age for the
UK but the media blew it up out of all proportion - basically losing
the "little" - as usual. However, by the end of the sixties, a new study by
one of the group broke the analysis into seasons and this showed that the
winters had reached their minimum in the sixties and would get warmer for
the next fifty years. It also showed springs and autumns would get colder..

The other ice-age theory was, as far as I remember, connected with global
cooling due to pollution particles. No account had been taken of increasing
CO2 and the scientist(s?) responsible for the theory soon realised the CO2
effect would swamp any cooling caused by pollution.



Thanks for this clarification.

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On Oct 20, 12:13*pm, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Oct 19, 6:45*pm, wrote:



How does that explain the Subday Mirror and Sunday Telegaph artices
and Nigel Calders book?

The post war cooling was very obvious right through the sixties only
ten years earlier Einstein was writing a glowing preface to Charles
Hapgoods apparent destruction of the theory of plate tectonics. I
think people forget how things rapidly change, Cooling wasn't a theory
it actually was a concern that had veen picked up by a less distorted
media than today. Again people want to revise history to suit their
view of the world.

Who is revising history? I have cited a scholarly article from the
Bulletin of the AMS which clearly shows the greater ('warming')
consensus amongst those publishing papers on the subject of climate
change.

Post-war cooling was indeed obvious, and perhaps that is why the
Mirror and Telegraph picked up on the relatively few instances of
predictions of cooling over a far longer period. But who knows? How do
you explain the Express these days publishing the 'long-range
forecasts' that they do? The press will do do as it pleases, and
perhaps that is where one needs to look for revisionism.



As for Dickens: Would you think it correct if a period drama had white
tribesmen amongst the Ibo people of west africa ? Of course not. TYhe
BBC are revising the accuracy of historic events to atone for the sins
of the slave trade. *As I said in another post a young Blacl actress
iis to star in a new production of little dorrit.

I think it has been pointed out before, but Oliver Twist and Little
Dorrit are not 'historical events'. And your analogy is doubly false:
Sophie Okenedo is English; white people depicting the Ibo would not be
Ibo. But was it ever a problem for all those white guys down the years
to portray Othello?

Did you know, by the way, that the majority population in Limehouse
(where Oliver Twist was set) was black at that time? *And again: where
is the cut-off for skin tone where one is allowed to appear in a
dramatisation of Dickens? The BBC's Oliver Twist was an interpretation
of a novel, and therefore exhibited dramatic license at worst. The dog
was the wrong breed, I think - was that a problem?

By the way Othello was a Moor not sub saharan Africa and the reason
that he was bever betrayed by a black person was simply this: the
numbers and the low standing in society ; precisely the same as the
non revised 19th century.. You'll next be telling me Cleopatra was
black.

I'm making an historical socially valid point here, you liberals can't
have your cake and eat it. Either black people were a very isolated
minority gruop in Dickensian London or they were not. If the answer is
the latter and that black people had a high profile and public
standing in 19th century England how does that rest with the middle
20th century intolerance to West Indian immigration. We all know that
was an unpleasant time for West Indians in fact integration and social
acceptabilty are still a long way off now let alone during the time of
Dickens.

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In article 7747d8eb-e9af-401c-981d-32210ea77d29
@m32g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...
Did you know, by the way, that the majority population in Limehouse
(where Oliver Twist was set) was black at that time?


Chinese, Shirley!!!

There certainly was a Black presence in Limehouse early 19thC (indeed a
"from everywhere" presence") but I can't believe it would be bigger than
that of the Chinese.

Limehouse was the main port in Europe for the Chinese and Far East trade
routes.

--
Alan LeHun

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On Oct 20, 2:42*pm, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article 7747d8eb-e9af-401c-981d-32210ea77d29
@m32g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...

Did you know, by the way, that the majority population in Limehouse
(where Oliver Twist was set) was black at that time?

Chinese, Shirley!!!

There certainly was a Black presence in Limehouse early 19thC (indeed a
"from everywhere" presence") but I can't believe it would be bigger than
that of the Chinese.

Limehouse was the main port in Europe for the Chinese and Far East trade
routes.

--
Alan LeHun

Don't call me surely. On the info I've had a brief glance at it would
seem as slavery was usurped by industrialisation and the demand for
free labour then the black popualation of London diminished, there was
a asmall community around the dockland area but they were obviously
very isolated. Don't forget slavery was just being phased out, and we
also musn't forget the wretched living conditions for many no matter
what colour.