Hi Folks,

After carefully comparing rainfall using both the Davis VP and a
standard manual gauge it seems, in calm weather, my VP is under-reading
by 20%. The tipping mechanism is clean and moving freely.

I know the two screws under the tipping buckets need to be turned
anti-clockwise in order to lessen the amount of rain required to tip,
but can anyone suggest the amount they need to be turned in order to
achieve the 20%?


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Chris

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:55:21 +0100, Zak wrote:

After carefully comparing rainfall using both the Davis VP and a
standard manual gauge it seems, in calm weather, my VP is under-reading
by 20%. The tipping mechanism is clean and moving freely.

I know the two screws under the tipping buckets need to be turned
anti-clockwise in order to lessen the amount of rain required to tip,
but can anyone suggest the amount they need to be turned in order to
achieve the 20%?

If you're sure that there's no other explanation (eg rain gauge step
incorrectly set on console or software, VP and reference gauges not at
same heights/locations etc) then you should find a calibration legend
embossed on the plastic under each tipping bucket. From memory,
turning the screw by one flat makes a 1% difference in calibration.
(Direction of turn as shown on the legend.) Obviously both screws need
to be adjusted by the same amount.

John Dann
www.weatherstations.co.uk

"John Dann" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:55:21 +0100, Zak wrote:

After carefully comparing rainfall using both the Davis VP and a
standard manual gauge it seems, in calm weather, my VP is under-reading
by 20%. The tipping mechanism is clean and moving freely.

I know the two screws under the tipping buckets need to be turned
anti-clockwise in order to lessen the amount of rain required to tip,
but can anyone suggest the amount they need to be turned in order to
achieve the 20%?

If you're sure that there's no other explanation (eg rain gauge step
incorrectly set on console or software, VP and reference gauges not at
same heights/locations etc) then you should find a calibration legend
embossed on the plastic under each tipping bucket. From memory,
turning the screw by one flat makes a 1% difference in calibration.
(Direction of turn as shown on the legend.) Obviously both screws need
to be adjusted by the same amount.

John Dann
www.weatherstations.co.uk

The calibration legend on my VP1 shows that a one flat turn makes a 1%
difference confirming that John's memory is correct. It seems a general
experience that VP gauges under read compared to a standard manual gauge.
However the amount will depend on the intensity of the rainfall so there
will always be some difference.

I think my under recording is less than 10% and without a refernce gauge I
am reluctant to adjust the readings.

Alan

In message , John Dann
writes
snip
then you should find a calibration legend
embossed on the plastic under each tipping bucket. From memory,
turning the screw by one flat makes a 1% difference in calibration.
(Direction of turn as shown on the legend.) Obviously both screws need
to be adjusted by the same amount.
Change spectacles, peer at base of unit and, "Ahah!" moment when all
becomes clear, and yes, the legend is the 1% per flat / 6% per 360
deg.

Thanks folks.
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Chris

There's a better and more absolute method to calibrate any tipping-
bucket gauge, as follows. This should be performed annually as the
adjustment does drift over time. If you haven't checked your TBR
calibration - undertake this simple check, it'll take just a few
minutes ...

This extracted from Andy Overton's very useful guide to settying up
and calibrating AWS, which can be found on the Royal Meteorological
Society's website:
---
"To calibrate using the method of measured amount introduced to the
raingauge, the area of the raingauge collector must first be
measured. For a square or rectangular collector multiply the lengths
in millimetres of the two sides together; for a circular collector
measure the diameter in millimetres, square it, divide it by 4 and
multiply the result by . Finally, divide 500 000 by this result to
give the amount of rainfall in millimetres which 500 ml of water
should register with your raingauge.

Next, it is necessary to measure 500 ml of water in a good quality
measuring jug, ensuring that the comparison of amount is taken from
the bottom of the meniscus of fluid. Measuring jugs are not perfectly
accurate but will suffice; if a more accurate measure is available,
use it. Pour the water extremely slowly into the raingauge. It
cannot be stressed too highly how slow this must be as errors in
registering become very significant with high precipitation rates.
The flow should be no more than a slight dribble, giving time for the
buckets to tip before introducing a fresh trickle. If a syringe is
available, use this to better control the flow. This will be time
consuming but the large amount of water goes a considerable way
towards equalling out the inevitable errors caused by uneven tipping.

Once all the water has been run through the raingauge the registered
precipitation should be noted and compared with the result to be
expected from the calculation above. It is good practice to repeat
the exercise to ensure accuracy and then average the results. If an
adjustment is necessary this must be done by manually calibrating the
raingauge assembly, an offset cannot be applied to the measurements as
the error is incremental and the introduction of the total offset for
500 ml of water in all circumstances would make a mockery of lesser
readings. The manufacturer's manual should be consulted for details
of how to make adjustments. For tipping bucket raingauges this is
typically by adjustment of the screws upon which the buckets rest in
the empty position. Lowering the screws will require more water in
the buckets to make them tip and so compensate for a raingauge which
is over-reading. Raising the screws compensates for a raingauge which
is under-reading. It is vitally important that the screws are
adjusted by equal amounts - it may be helpful to mark the screw heads
in some way to assist with equal positioning. If the raingauge is out
of calibration by as much a 10% or more do not be surprised if
considerable alteration in screw height is needed. Once adjustment
has been made it will be necessary to repeat the calibration process
to check what amount of water is now registered and make further
adjustments as necessary. A correctly adjusted raingauge should be
accurate to around 2%."


Stephen Burt
Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire

I notice that in posting it lost the pi symbol ...

"For a square or rectangular collector multiply the lengths
in millimetres of the two sides together; for a circular collector
measure the diameter in millimetres, square it, divide it by 4 and
multiply the result by pi."

wrote in message
oups.com...
There's a better and more absolute method to calibrate any tipping-
bucket gauge, as follows. This should be performed annually as the
adjustment does drift over time. If you haven't checked your TBR
calibration - undertake this simple check, it'll take just a few
minutes ...

This extracted from Andy Overton's very useful guide to settying up
and calibrating AWS, which can be found on the Royal Meteorological
Society's website:
---
"To calibrate using the method of measured amount introduced to the
raingauge, the area of the raingauge collector must first be
measured. For a square or rectangular collector multiply the lengths
in millimetres of the two sides together; for a circular collector
measure the diameter in millimetres, square it, divide it by 4 and
multiply the result by . Finally, divide 500 000 by this result to
give the amount of rainfall in millimetres which 500 ml of water
should register with your raingauge.

multiply the result by pi = 3.14159

Will
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Thanks very much Stephen (and Will for pi!). I will have a go at this, as I
reckon I have a 20% underread compared to a manual guage here.

Phil

"Zak" wrote:

After carefully comparing rainfall using both the Davis VP and a standard
manual gauge it seems, in calm weather, my VP is under-reading by 20%. The
tipping mechanism is clean and moving freely.

I know the two screws under the tipping buckets need to be turned
anti-clockwise in order to lessen the amount of rain required to tip, but
can anyone suggest the amount they need to be turned in order to achieve
the 20%?

Sorry to come to this thread so late ... and following all
the other excellent advice all I am going to do is repeat
the Eden mantra which applies to anyone and everyone
with an AWS ... however fantastic your AWS is,
please add a traditional manual rain-gauge to your site;
it is the only way you will achieve a rainfall record
under standard conditions, comparable with all official and
historical data (with the proviso that your site characteristics
should also be as close to the official standard as you can
manage).

Philip

Philip Eden wrote:

"Zak" wrote:

After carefully comparing rainfall using both the Davis VP and a
standard manual gauge it seems, in calm weather, my VP is
under-reading by 20%. The tipping mechanism is clean and moving
freely.

I know the two screws under the tipping buckets need to be turned
anti-clockwise in order to lessen the amount of rain required to
tip, but can anyone suggest the amount they need to be turned in
order to achieve the 20%?

Sorry to come to this thread so late ... and following all
the other excellent advice all I am going to do is repeat
the Eden mantra which applies to anyone and everyone
with an AWS ... however fantastic your AWS is,
please add a traditional manual rain-gauge to your site;
it is the only way you will achieve a rainfall record
under standard conditions, comparable with all official and
historical data (with the proviso that your site characteristics
should also be as close to the official standard as you can
manage).

Philip

The amounts measured by the raingauge on my Davis VP average about
10-15 percent lower than what the manual gauge measures but there is
great variability. Sometimes the measurements are almost identical and
sometimes the AWS is as much as 30 percent lower. The variability seems
to be related both to rainfall intensity and to wind direction. In
prolonged slight to moderate rain the AWS compares very well to the
manual gauge but in heavy rain it under-reads quite markedly.

The AWS rainfall measurements are interesting but I agree that a manual
gauge is essential for reasonably accurate measurements.

Norman.

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Norman Lynagh
Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire
85m a.s.l.
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