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Tropical Cyclone Gamede, 24-28 Feb 2007, lingered close to La Reunion
in the Indian Ocean - notorious for high rainfall events - and gave yet another few days of extraordinary rainfall totals in the mountains, the likes of which I don't believe I can even _imagine_ - 1625 mm in 24 hours, 4869 mm in 4 days, 5400 mm in 7 days. This stolen unashamedly from another forum, but I can't see that it's been mentioned on here previously. The English translation is first (babelfish I think) followed by the original French, which clarifies some of the odder turns of phrase. -- ENGLISH -- With GAMEDE and 27 years after HYACINTHE, La Reunion beats his [ his? La ?] own world records of precipitations over the durations from 3 to 9 days. It is pointed out that GAMEDE, classified intense tropical cyclone during its maximum phase, is remained with less than 400 km of La Reunion during nearly 4 days, with a zone of extremely vast influence in term of winds and precipitations. The winds were certainly strong over a long duration, but were not of very exceptional nature. On the other hand, the rains, although not having known extreme peaks of intensity, were very regular and very abundant in all the tops of the island, producing by accumulation of the even exceptional remarkable water blades over durations of one at several days. Data of recording rain-gauges recovered a posteriori in the days which followed the end of the episode, made it possible to establish that world records of precipitations had been beaten. After having stripped and having checked the last data of the recorders of its network of measuring sites, Meteo-France thus concerned the exceptional office pluralities between the 24 and on February 28: Over 12 midnight [SB: original French makes this clear this is a 24 hour period, presumably 00-24h LT]: 1625 mm with the Commerson Crater, thus approaching the official world record of 1825 mm measured with Jib-Jib with the passage of "DENISE" in 1966. One raises also 1489 mm with Hell-Borough and 1295 mm with Bélouve. Over 48 hours: 2463 mm with the Commerson Crater, almost with equality with the world record of 2467 mm Aurère going back to 1958. Other remarkable values: 2358 mm with Hell-Borough and 2185 mm with Bélouve. Over 72 hours: 3929 mm with the Commerson Crater and 3264 mm with Hell- Borough, thus exceeding the preceding world record (3240 mm) which had been measured with Large-Ilet with the passage of "HYACINTHE" in 1980. One also measures: 2824 mm with Bélouve and 2321 mm with Cilaos. Over 4 days: 4869 mm with the Commerson Crater and 3633 mm with Hell- Borough. There still, one largely exceeds the preceding world record which was 3551 mm with "HYACINTHE" at the same point of measurement. One also raises: 3139 mm with Bélouve and 2586 mm with Cilaos. To note, that one also again establishes world records on 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 days with respectively 4979 mm, 5075 mm, 5400 mm, 5510 mm and 5512 mm on this same site of measurement of the Commerson Crater. All in all, on the whole tops of the island, and if one refers to the office pluralities over 4 days, the values of episode GAMEDE are close or higher than what one could observe at the time of "swallowed" HYACINTHE who prevailed of the 15 at January 27, 1980 and which preserves the world records for the durations of 10 and 15 days. The original French text is as follows: Quote: Avec GAMEDE et 27 ans après HYACINTHE, La Réunion bat ses propres records mondiaux de précipitations sur les durées de 3 à 9 jours. On rappelle que GAMEDE, classé cyclone tropical intense pendant sa phase maximale, est demeuré à moins de 400 km de La Réunion pendant près de 4 jours, avec une zone d'influence extrêmement vaste en terme de vents et de précipitations. Les vents ont été certes forts sur une longue durée, mais n'ont pas revêtu de caractère très exceptionnel. Par contre, les pluies, bien que n'ayant pas connu de pics d'intensité extrêmes, ont été très régulières et très abondantes dans tous les hauts de l'île, produisant par accumulation des lames d'eau remarquables voire exceptionnelles sur des durées de un à plusieurs jours. Des données de pluviographes récupérées a posteriori dans les jours qui ont suivi la fin de l'épisode, ont permis d'établir que des records mondiaux de précipitations avaient été battus. Après avoir dépouillé et vérifié les dernières données des enregistreurs de son réseau de stations de mesures, Météo-France a ainsi relevé des cumuls exceptionnels entre le 24 et le 28 février : Sur 24 heures : 1625 mm au Cratère Commerson, approchant ainsi le record mondial officiel de 1825 mm mesuré à Foc-Foc avec le passage de « DENISE » en 1966. On relève aussi 1489 mm à Hell-Bourg et 1295 mm à Bélouve. Sur 48 heures : 2463 mm au Cratère Commerson, presque à égalité avec le record mondial de 2467 mm d'Aurère datant de 1958. Autres valeurs remarquables : 2358 mm à Hell-Bourg et 2185 mm à Bélouve. Sur 72 heures : 3929 mm au Cratère Commerson et 3264 mm à Hell-Bourg, dépassant ainsi le précédent record mondial (3240 mm) qui avait été mesuré à Grand-Ilet avec le passage de « HYACINTHE » en 1980. On mesure également : 2824 mm à Bélouve et 2321 mm à Cilaos. Sur 4 jours : 4869 mm au Cratère Commerson et 3633 mm à Hell-Bourg. Là encore, on dépasse largement le précédent record mondial qui était de 3551 mm avec « HYACINTHE » au même point de mesure. On relève aussi : 3139 mm à Bélouve et 2586 mm à Cilaos. A noter, que l'on établit également de nouveau records mondiaux sur 5, 6, 7, 8 et 9 jours avec respectivement 4979 mm, 5075 mm, 5400 mm, 5510 mm et 5512 mm sur ce même site de mesure du Cratère Commerson. Globalement, sur l'ensemble des hauts de l'île, et si l'on se réfère aux cumuls sur 4 jours, les valeurs de l'épisode GAMEDE sont proches ou supérieures à ce que l'on a pu observer à l'occasion de l' « avalasse » HYACINTHE qui a sévi du 15 au 27 janvier 1980 et qui conserve les records mondiaux pour les durées de 10 et 15 jours. http://www.meteo.fr/temps/domtom/La_...Evenement.html ------------ Gulp. Stephen (In the Sahara-like south of England, with an average annual rainfall of a mere 685 mm) |
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On Mar 13, 9:10 pm, "Stephen Burt" wrote:
Tropical Cyclone Gamede, 24-28 Feb 2007, lingered close to La Reunion in the Indian Ocean - notorious for high rainfall events - and gave yet another few days of extraordinary rainfall totals in the mountains, the likes of which I don't believe I can even _imagine_ - 1625 mm in 24 hours, 4869 mm in 4 days, 5400 mm in 7 days. http://www.meteo.fr/temps/domtom/La_...u_mois/Accueil... Only one cyclone extant ATM despite the misty weather here. It is in the same region though and a Cat 3 -Intense Hurricane, to boot. 12th March brought and end to a rather long and rather interesting lunar phase and added energy to a rather unbalanced but otherwise similar one. (23:17 on the 3rd, as compared to 03:54.) Keep your eyes peeled because this spell will recur again in April. The phase for the 17th is more like the last one. In fact it seems almost identical to me. Apart from the solar proximity to the equator, there is nothing in the way for much more of the same to strike there and Australia again. So you may see for yourself the veracity of my claim that the mistier the weather here in the UK, the more likely the chances of severe cyclonic activity on the tropics and subtropics. Looking at the rest of the phases for late spring, I predict an early start for the N Atlantic season -which ordinarily starts in June IIRC. So we may see something interesting in Central America early on. Certainly there will be a lot of ET activity for these spells: Apr 17 11:36 Apr 24 06:36 May 2 10:09 May 10 04:27 May 16 19:27 May 23 21:03 Jun 1 01:04 Jun 8 11:43 Jun 15 03:13 Jun 22 13:15 http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...se2001gmt.html |
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On Mar 15, 11:27�pm, Rodney Blackall
wrote: In article .com, * *Weatherlawyer wrote: Looking at the rest of the phases for late spring, I predict an early start for the N Atlantic season -which ordinarily starts in June IIRC. So we may see something interesting in Central America early on. Certainly there will be a lot of ET activity for these spells: Apr 17 *11:36 Apr 24 *06:36 May *2 *10:09 May 10 *04:27 May 16 *19:27 May 23 *21:03 Jun *1 *01:04 There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - would you care to name the region affected by the June 1 event? I should be aboard QE2 in the western Med. by then and look forward to some interesting weather around Malaga. Perhaps when I have inveigled Gianna into compiling a database for me, I will be able to forecast which misty weather the UK is "always" having "SOMEWHERE", relates to which ET region -if that is possible. As it happens, the time of that phase places the wet weather squarely over the UK. Or east of the longitude. You should take your pack-a-mac with you. Check out the dates for flash flooding in the Vaucluse and Lake Como districts. Ignorant and unafraid; I'll go out further on the limb and say that ET activity is unlikely in the North Atlantic for that spell unless it is an event already in progress. The preceding spell is a classic thunder event for the regions I am familiar with. (None of which are Mediterranean, subtropical, tropical or equatorial.) So you won't be missing much here, will you. Have fun. |
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On Mar 15, 11:27?pm, Rodney Blackall
wrote: In article .com, There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - Looks like a no score draw for this week. Mist or mistyish weather yesterday and no cyclonic activity. But of course next week's spell will be much more interesting, no that's not quite right... The next spell (25th Mar with the phase at 18:16) ostensibly the same sort of weather MUST produce a large tropical cyclone. Either that or a severe earthquake to take its place. (Assuming that the NAO remains positive that is.) |
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On Mar 23, 6:46?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:27?pm, Rodney Blackall wrote: In article .com, There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - Looks like a no score draw for this week. Mist or mistyish weather yesterday and no cyclonic activity. But of course next week's spell will be much more interesting, no that's not quite right... The next spell (25th Mar with the phase at 18:16) ostensibly the same sort of weather MUST produce a large tropical cyclone. Either that or a severe earthquake to take its place. (Assuming that the NAO remains positive that is.) OK then. A Magaquake is now on the cards. Lets see how the MetO's wonderputers deal with that then, boys and girls. |
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On Mar 24, 3:50 pm, "Weatherlawyer" wrote:
On Mar 23, 6:46?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 15, 11:27?pm, Rodney Blackall wrote: In article .com, There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - Looks like a no score draw for this week. Mist or mistyish weather yesterday and no cyclonic activity. But of course next week's spell will be much more interesting, no that's not quite right... The next spell (25th Mar with the phase at 18:16) ostensibly the same sort of weather MUST produce a large tropical cyclone. Either that or a severe earthquake to take its place. (Assuming that the NAO remains positive that is.) OK then. A Magaquake is now on the cards. Lets see how the MetO's wonderputers deal with that then, boys and girls. That's it then. Nothing much on the site for a week or so then: 6.0 Mag. 01:08 VANUATU 6.7 Mag. 00:41 NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 7.2 Mag. 00:40 VANUATU http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_all.php Major tragedies of course but still, not bad for an old man with extraordinary insight. (A low attention span and no database.) |
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On Mar 25, 9:36?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote:
On Mar 24, 3:50 pm, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 23, 6:46?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 15, 11:27?pm, Rodney Blackall wrote: In article .com, There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - Looks like a no score draw for this week. Mist or mistyish weather yesterday and no cyclonic activity. But of course next week's spell will be much more interesting, no that's not quite right... The next spell (25th Mar with the phase at 18:16) ostensibly the same sort of weather MUST produce a large tropical cyclone. Either that or a severe earthquake to take its place. (Assuming that the NAO remains positive that is.) OK then. A Magaquake is now on the cards. Lets see how the MetO's wonderputers deal with that then, boys and girls. That's it then. Nothing much on the site for a week or so then: 6.0 Mag. 01:08 VANUATU 6.7 Mag. 00:41 NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 7.2 Mag. 00:40 VANUATU http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_all.php Major tragedies of course but still, not bad for an old man with extraordinary insight. (A low attention span and no database.)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Back to normal: http://satellite.ehabich.info/hurricane-watch.htm Kara heads to Western Australia. Surprisingly, I had assumed that the next cyclones I'd be talking about would be in the Northern Indian Ocean, or somewhere towards the Philippines. That just goes to show the importance of having a good database. Deep fog in parts but misty all the way from Stoke to Craven Arms this morning. I am surprised that there is so little cyclonic activity. One could use the absence to compare the factors and amplitudes of 7+ magnitude earthquakes in the system if one was aware of how to adjust assemblies to show the weather more accurately. No doubt all models are running to play catch up. Boy, do I feel powerful! |
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On 26 mar, 21:48, "Weatherlawyer" wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:36?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 24, 3:50 pm, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 23, 6:46?am, "Weatherlawyer" wrote: On Mar 15, 11:27?pm, Rodney Blackall wrote: In article .com, There is always intense ET (Extra-Tropical?) activity SOMEWHERE on Earth - Looks like a no score draw for this week. Mist or mistyish weather yesterday and no cyclonic activity. But of course next week's spell will be much more interesting, no that's not quite right... The next spell (25th Mar with the phase at 18:16) ostensibly the same sort of weather MUST produce a large tropical cyclone. Either that or a severe earthquake to take its place. (Assuming that the NAO remains positive that is.) OK then. A Magaquake is now on the cards. Lets see how the MetO's wonderputers deal with that then, boys and girls. That's it then. Nothing much on the site for a week or so then: 6.0 Mag. 01:08 VANUATU 6.7 Mag. 00:41 NEAR THE WEST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 7.2 Mag. 00:40 VANUATU http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...quakes_all.php Major tragedies of course but still, not bad for an old man with extraordinary insight. (A low attention span and no database.)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Back to normal:http://satellite.ehabich.info/hurricane-watch.htm Kara heads to Western Australia. Surprisingly, I had assumed that the next cyclones I'd be talking about would be in the Northern Indian Ocean, or somewhere towards the Philippines. That just goes to show the importance of having a good database. Deep fog in parts but misty all the way from Stoke to Craven Arms this morning. I am surprised that there is so little cyclonic activity. One could use the absence to compare the factors and amplitudes of 7+ magnitude earthquakes in the system if one was aware of how to adjust assemblies to show the weather more accurately. No doubt all models are running to play catch up. Boy, do I feel powerful!- Masquer le texte des messages précédents - - Afficher le texte des messages précédents - .... are you saying that you anticipated both those Quakes ? Jean-Paul Turcaud Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ for background info. http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm |
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.... are you saying that you anticipated both those Quakes ?
Don't encourage him, please! The village nutter, you understand? |
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