I have to say after reading UKMO's latest crap the time has come to call a
spade a spade. Yer talking out of your commercially driven 'form over
substance' ARSE!

Read this-is it me?


A prolonged, severe winter is one of the biggest threats to the efficient
day-to-day running of the country. With this in mind, the Met Office has
given advanced warning to many of its customers and partners to plan for a
'colder-than-average winter'. Using a traffic light analogy, the
organisation has written to contingency planners in the Government -
including the NHS and Highways Agency - and in the energy industry, as well
as many others to put them on Amber Alert.


Our daily lives are inextricably linked to the weather - from the ease of
travelling to and from work, to the health of individuals with certain
conditions or the efficiency and demands on the UK energy industry. It is
critically important that planners are aware of long-term forecasts issued
by the Met Office and are able to act on the information.


Since 1995-96, winters in the UK have been mild, giving many the impression
that mild winters are now the norm. Even an average winter could come as a
surprise to many, although at this stage, it is not possible to issue
specific details about a particular day, or location, over the winter
season.


The long-range forecast also signals a dry winter across much of the UK. A
cautious approach needs to be taken at the moment, but, bearing in mind the
lack of rain for the UK over the last 12 months, this factor may be more
significant in the long run."

This is all about the Labour government covering all bases. Global warming
and global cooling. The NHS and Highways agency! Don't make me puke. The NHS
with MRSA kills far more people than weather extremes ever have since the
end of the little Ice-Age!!



Amber Alert- my arse what a load of fictitional ****e. Pensioners are far
more at risk of physical threat from the labour party bouncers!



Okay those reaching retirement age what would you rather have,

a possibility in a -according to the Labour party - of a rapidly warming
world. Or the posibility -according to the Labour party- of a very cold
winter?

or an increased retirement age?

Hey go do the math.

George Orwell could have written trhis.

There are no end of people talking about the coming winter here on the
Isle-of-Sheppey, afterall, the island was cut off for weeks during the 1987
snow storms. Warden Bay, where I live was without electricity for twelve
days and food had to be air lifted to the area. We are stocking up on dried
and tinned food and powdered milk. Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury
of a nearby large town centre and cannot afford to take a chance. The MO
could well be wrong, lets just hope they are!!

Shaun Pudwell,
2M ASL,
Warden Bay, Isle-of-Sheppey, North Kent.


"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
I have to say after reading UKMO's latest crap the time has come to call a
spade a spade. Yer talking out of your commercially driven 'form over
substance' ARSE!

Read this-is it me?


A prolonged, severe winter is one of the biggest threats to the efficient
day-to-day running of the country. With this in mind, the Met Office has
given advanced warning to many of its customers and partners to plan for a
'colder-than-average winter'. Using a traffic light analogy, the
organisation has written to contingency planners in the Government -
including the NHS and Highways Agency - and in the energy industry, as
well as many others to put them on Amber Alert.


Our daily lives are inextricably linked to the weather - from the ease of
travelling to and from work, to the health of individuals with certain
conditions or the efficiency and demands on the UK energy industry. It is
critically important that planners are aware of long-term forecasts issued
by the Met Office and are able to act on the information.


Since 1995-96, winters in the UK have been mild, giving many the
impression that mild winters are now the norm. Even an average winter
could come as a surprise to many, although at this stage, it is not
possible to issue specific details about a particular day, or location,
over the winter season.


The long-range forecast also signals a dry winter across much of the UK. A
cautious approach needs to be taken at the moment, but, bearing in mind
the lack of rain for the UK over the last 12 months, this factor may be
more significant in the long run."

This is all about the Labour government covering all bases. Global warming
and global cooling. The NHS and Highways agency! Don't make me puke. The
NHS with MRSA kills far more people than weather extremes ever have since
the end of the little Ice-Age!!



Amber Alert- my arse what a load of fictitional ****e. Pensioners are far
more at risk of physical threat from the labour party bouncers!



Okay those reaching retirement age what would you rather have,

a possibility in a -according to the Labour party - of a rapidly warming
world. Or the posibility -according to the Labour party- of a very cold
winter?

or an increased retirement age?

Hey go do the math.

George Orwell could have written trhis.

We are stocking up on dried and tinned food and powdered milk.
Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of a nearby large town centre and
cannot afford to take a chance.

If that is the case, I feel you should do this every approaching winter.The
chances of a severe winter are low, but not increased by the fact we haven't
had one for some time or that the Met office has put out an amber alert
three months before.

Dave

In article ,
lawrence Jenkins writes:
snip
Amber Alert- my arse what a load of fictitional ****e. Pensioners are far
more at risk of physical threat from the labour party bouncers!

But the warning was not intended for pensioners: "Using a traffic light
analogy, the organisation has written to contingency planners in the
Government - including the NHS and Highways Agency - and in the energy
industry, as well as many others to put them on Amber Alert."

I don't have a problem, if the Met Office's modelling indicates the
likelihood of a cold winter, with their warning government agencies of
that. Nor do I see why, having warned them, they should keep the
information from the rest of us. If the Met Office is never to be
allowed to warn of the possibility of severe conditions, then one of the
main reasons for their existence would be removed. Sure, the media are
likely to hype up their warnings, but that's not the Met Office's fault.
--
John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
snip

Read this-is it me?

snip

I would say it is. What is you point exactly ?
Do you not believe the forecast or do you not think such advice should
be given ?

I'm afraid I could make nothing of your Labour government or pensioners
references.

Global warming does not mean that every day/year will be warmer than the
one before.

Regards,
Tom

Possibility of severe conditions?

That applies to every month of the year then?

I mean severe conditions can occur at any-time, and sometimes without
much warning

There are late night shows in the USA that are putting out alarmist
crap about "Super Hurricanes" and how much more bad things are now.

Don't get me started on Richard C Hoagland's - Hurricane Katrina -
Created by a secretive arm of the government, and created
hyper-dimensionally, and deliberatly steered into N.O.
www.enterprisemission.com

Are people forgetting, there was no media coverage of storms as we go
back in time.
No handy Sat pics to look up on the web
If you did not live in the afflicted area, you didn't get to hear about
it.
The storms that remained out over open waters, the people didn't know
about them
Thousands of people died, after being taken by surprise, cause they had
no warnings

Doesn't that give the impression, that storms are worse now?
Because we know so much more about what is going anywhere in the world
at any given time?

Steve

lawrence Jenkins wrote:
I have to say after reading UKMO's latest crap the time has come to call a
spade a spade. Yer talking out of your commercially driven 'form over
substance' ARSE!

Read this-is it me?


A prolonged, severe winter is one of the biggest threats to the efficient
day-to-day running of the country. With this in mind, the Met Office has
given advanced warning to many of its customers and partners to plan for a
'colder-than-average winter'. Using a traffic light analogy, the
organisation has written to contingency planners in the Government -
including the NHS and Highways Agency - and in the energy industry, as well
as many others to put them on Amber Alert.


Our daily lives are inextricably linked to the weather - from the ease of
travelling to and from work, to the health of individuals with certain
conditions or the efficiency and demands on the UK energy industry. It is
critically important that planners are aware of long-term forecasts issued
by the Met Office and are able to act on the information.


Since 1995-96, winters in the UK have been mild, giving many the impression
that mild winters are now the norm. Even an average winter could come as a
surprise to many, although at this stage, it is not possible to issue
specific details about a particular day, or location, over the winter
season.


The long-range forecast also signals a dry winter across much of the UK. A
cautious approach needs to be taken at the moment, but, bearing in mind the
lack of rain for the UK over the last 12 months, this factor may be more
significant in the long run."

This is all about the Labour government covering all bases. Global warming
and global cooling. The NHS and Highways agency! Don't make me puke. The NHS
with MRSA kills far more people than weather extremes ever have since the
end of the little Ice-Age!!



Amber Alert- my arse what a load of fictitional ****e. Pensioners are far
more at risk of physical threat from the labour party bouncers!



Okay those reaching retirement age what would you rather have,

a possibility in a -according to the Labour party - of a rapidly warming
world. Or the posibility -according to the Labour party- of a very cold
winter?

or an increased retirement age?

Hey go do the math.

George Orwell could have written trhis.

George Orwell would probably have been a little more coherent
and may just possibly have noticed that this is Met Office forecast,
not a Labour Party one, and fairly low key at that.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...

snip rant

a possibility in a -according to the Labour party - of a rapidly warming
world. Or the posibility -according to the Labour party- of a very cold
winter?

or an increased retirement age?

Hey go do the math.


Lawrence, you are foaming at the mouth so much here I'm not even
sure exaxtly what it is you are complaining about.
Is it that can't accept the possibility of a cold winter against the
backdrop of a generally warming climate?
Should the Met Office not flag up the possibility of one happening if
they feel that it is statistically likely enough for them to do so?

Col
--
Bolton, Lancashire.
160m asl.

What happens if we have a bitterly cold January and an exceptionally mild
December and February. Would that be pat on the back time? Would the amber
warning have helped the planners? I still don't see if we can't get an
accurate forecast for 14 days ahead, even in general terms, there is any
basis that the various model trends for three months ahead have any real
credence.

Dave

Felly sgrifennodd Dave.C :
I still don't see if we can't get an
accurate forecast for 14 days ahead, even in general terms, there is any
basis that the various model trends for three months ahead have any real
credence.

It's not unreasonable to do this if you can spot general trends.

For example, it is not ureasonable to forecast that the climate in 50
years time will be generally warmer than this year. That's what global warming
would predict, and most of us accept GW. It's no more than a general trend,
and it could turn out that 2055 is an outlier, and turns out to be cold.

The only real question in my mind is how likely their prediction of this
trend is likely to be (they reckon about 2/3 of the time I believe). But
what still puzzles me is their temperature forecast charts for 3-5 and
4-6 months out, which as I pointed out elsewhere recently don't really
coincide with the forecast you're talking about.

Adrian
--
Adrian Shaw ais@
Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber.
Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac.
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais uk