Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Meteorology is a BS science that pretends to understand what it does not. Consequently they are completely clueless about severe weather.

www.solvingtornadoes.com

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:

Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist
air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Your work showing this is true? let me help you with that:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mo...air-d_679.html

Water vapor - H2O - is composed of one Oxygen atom and two Hydrogen
atoms. Hydrogen is the lightest element at 1 atomic unit while Oxygen
is 16 atomic units. Thus the water vapor atom has an atomic mass of 18
atomic units. With 18 atomic units water vapor is lighter than
diatomic Oxygen with 32 units and diatomic Nitrogen with 28 units.

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On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:41:03 PM UTC-8, I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:

Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist
air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Your work showing this is true? let me help you with that:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mo...air-d_679.html

Water vapor - H2O - is composed of one Oxygen atom and two Hydrogen
atoms. Hydrogen is the lightest element at 1 atomic unit while Oxygen
is 16 atomic units. Thus the water vapor atom has an atomic mass of 18
atomic units. With 18 atomic units water vapor is lighter than
diatomic Oxygen with 32 units and diatomic Nitrogen with 28 units.

There is more to it than just that. www.solvingtornadoes.com

On 12/11/2014 21:40, I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:

Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist
air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Your work showing this is true? let me help you with that:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mo...air-d_679.html

Water vapor - H2O - is composed of one Oxygen atom and two Hydrogen
atoms. Hydrogen is the lightest element at 1 atomic unit while Oxygen
is 16 atomic units. Thus the water vapor atom has an atomic mass of 18
atomic units. With 18 atomic units water vapor is lighter than
diatomic Oxygen with 32 units and diatomic Nitrogen with 28 units.

He is a clueless nutter and you cannot reason with him. His ravings
remain just as incoherent after application of the Shannoniser.

However, water dimers have recently been demonstrated to exist in trace
amounts under conditions that are not far off those in the atmosphere.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ric-conditions

Actually quite an elegant experiment.

Not that this affects the general point that most water vapour is
present as molecular H2O and it is only when the atmosphere is super
saturated and nuclei are about that some of it forms into clouds.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:31:50 -0800 (PST),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:41:03 PM UTC-8, I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:

Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist
air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Your work showing this is true? let me help you with that:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mo...air-d_679.html

Water vapor - H2O - is composed of one Oxygen atom and two Hydrogen
atoms. Hydrogen is the lightest element at 1 atomic unit while Oxygen
is 16 atomic units. Thus the water vapor atom has an atomic mass of 18
atomic units. With 18 atomic units water vapor is lighter than
diatomic Oxygen with 32 units and diatomic Nitrogen with 28 units.

There is more to it than just that. www.solvingtornadoes.com

Cold steam? never heard of it. You seem to claim that evaporation does
not happen. Is that true?

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I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:00:38 +0000,
Martin Brown , in
wrote:

He is a clueless nutter and you cannot reason with him. His ravings
remain just as incoherent after application of the Shannoniser.

Oh, dear.

However, water dimers have recently been demonstrated to exist in trace
amounts under conditions that are not far off those in the atmosphere.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ric-conditions

Actually quite an elegant experiment.

Not that this affects the general point that most water vapour is
present as molecular H2O and it is only when the atmosphere is super
saturated and nuclei are about that some of it forms into clouds.

Interesting. I'm now curious if the amount of dimmers available will
be sufficient to explain the raditional absorption differences of
water vapor, or if other mechanisms are in play?

--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:59:25 AM UTC-8, I R A Darth Aggie wrote:

There is more to it than just that. www.solvingtornadoes.com

Cold steam? never heard of it. You seem to claim that evaporation does
not happen. Is that true?

The devil is in the details you have not provided. I don't dispute evaporation. Do you dispute my assertion that evaporation never produces monomolecular H2O (cold steam)? Evaporation occurs in clumps/droplets that are usually too small to be visible.

The fact is that there is zero empirical support for the popularistic urban legend that evaporation produces cold steam. (Prove me wrong.)

Take more care to express yourself clearly and concisely with respect to the relevant issues.

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:00:43 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown wrote:

However, water dimers have recently been demonstrated to exist
in trace amounts under conditions that are not far off those
in the atmosphere.

It's not clear IMO, that that exact conclusion is both accurate
and comprehensive. Their "measurement" is indirect and, from what
I can tell, dependent on assumptions that are unproven/unprovable.
At best they can say they have detected multimers (not dimers,
dimers being only 2 H2O molecules conjoined by one hydrogen bond)
which is what I anticipated they would detect. For example, did
you notice this: "There is one puzzling aspect of the results,
however: the measured absorption peaks were four times broader
than those predicted by computer modelling. The researchers
speculate that the reason may lie in the simplifying
assumptions . . . ?" How do you interpret that statement? And
they are not the first to detect such. Take a look at this
paper: http://goo.gl/akcmGJ

My conclusion: They have not detected dimers. They have
detected multimers, probably no less than 10 per clump/droplet.
But since they don't know how to distinguish between multimers
they've just assumed dimers--because that seems less
controversial.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/...ric-conditions

Actually quite an elegant experiment.

LOL. How would you know? No details were provided. The article
is based on the abstract. Don't pretend like you see what was
not presented. (You might as well be talking about the fine
weaving of the emperor's new clothes.)

There are no monomers in our atmosphere. Cold steam is nothing but
an urban myths. And here is the reason why: http://wp.me/p4JijN-9l

Not that this affects the general point that most water vapour is
present as molecular H2O and it is only when the atmosphere is super
saturated and nuclei are about that some of it forms into clouds.

Urban myth. Calling it a "general point" is a dishonest rhetorical
tactic. Pretending you see what has never been detected is
amateurish and petty.

Monomers have never been detected in earth's atmosphere. Prove me wrong.

Before you respond take a deep breath and acknowledge the fact that,
as I just stated, "Monomers have never been detected in earth's
atmosphere."

Science isn't about what you believe. It's about what you can
demonstrate empirically.

Do you agree, Martin?

On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:41:03 PM UTC-8, I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT),
Jim McGinn , in
wrote:

Meteorology never bothered to measure the main assumption that moist
air is lighter than dry air. It isn't. Moist air is heavier.

Your work showing this is true? let me help you with that:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/mo...air-d_679.html

Water vapor - H2O - is composed of one Oxygen atom and two Hydrogen
atoms. Hydrogen is the lightest element at 1 atomic unit while Oxygen
is 16 atomic units. Thus the water vapor atom has an atomic mass of 18
atomic units. With 18 atomic units water vapor is lighter than
diatomic Oxygen with 32 units and diatomic Nitrogen with 28 units.

Yes, this is common knowledge. Only a ****ing idiot would stop here. Now tell us why you believe in "cold steam," you freeking idiot.