Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:02:49 -0600 Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

I remember an old PBS show on Volcanoes where advances in that science
now allow for practical predictions. The advance if my memory serves me
at all was that there are 2 waves in seismographs of the large wave and
then of another somewhat hidden wave. The advance came when it was
recognized that this hidden wave fairly predicts when a volcano will
become dangerous.

Last Tuesday on PBS was a show on Tornadoes and it was stated in that
program that how tornadoes are created are still a mystery. It was
mentioned that a powerful downdraft seems to always precede the
formation of a tornado. And it was discovered that small rotary or
vortices of wind at the ground seems to help in the formation of a
twister Tornado. It was said on the show that the creation of Tornadoes
cannot be predicted and cannot be modeled.

I am going to try to make a stab at perhaps a furtherance to
understanding Tornadoes. It may or may not help but when in such a
situation a try is better than nothing.

What I propose is that there does exist a physics model or analogy to a
tornado and surprizingly no-one on the show spoke of it. I am refering
to the bathtub drain when lifted becomes a vortex twister. So these
physics phenomenon of bathtub drain of water is similar to Tornado
twisters only one is water and the other is air. What starts the water
twister is simply a hole of the drain. What then starts the Tornado is
another hole. But what kind of "hole"?

Now I am going to try another trick. I am going to throw the idea that a
Volcano has 2 waves to monitor and the 2nd wave is a predictor of
eruption. A Volcano erupting is analogous to the bathtub drain creating
a spiral of water only in the volcano it is in the opposite direction.
In the bathtub it is gravity and in the volcano it is mounting pressure
to release. So, now, if volcanoes have 2 waves to monitor then does a
bathtub drain have 2 waves to monitor? And transferring that logic to a
Tornado. Does a Tornado in some respects act like a bathtub drain and
does a Tornado act like a volcano and does a Tornado have 2 waves
involved?

So I am trying to cross analogize bathtub drain to tornado to volcano
and since volcanoes are somewhat predictable, perhaps there are 2 waves
involved in tornadoes and then make them predictable.

I would guess that the waves of tornadoes since they exist as in
volcanoes, involve the amount of energy latent in the skys during a
thunderstorm. If a thunderstorm does not have the energy to create "hail
particles" then it probably does not have the energy to create a tornado
or at least a dangerous tornado. So one of the waves involves the latent
energy of the skys to create a tornado. The other wave involves the
downdraft energy.

Also, earthquake predictions seem to be another phenomenon we have
little luck in predicting. But earthquakes seem unrelated to bathtub
drains. And it seems as though we should be able to predict tornadoes in
the future long before we get a handle on predicting earthquakes.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

I spelled meterology wrong and should be meteorology. Funny how weather
gets mixed up with meteors and comets.

Today I want to try or attempt to connect all four of these phenomenon and
find some physical link that all 4 have in common. Earthquakes, Tornadoes,
Volcanoes and Bathtub-drain. Perhaps include a 5th in Hurricanes.