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Thought this group might be interested to know that over the past few days
there has been an unprecedented arrival in the south of the UK of some summer migrants...House Martins, Swallows Sand Martins and also continental butterfly species. All these bird species usually winter around the Saharan region though a few may stay further north, but usually don't start to appear for at least another month to six weeks time. Being quite interested in the effects of weather on bird migration I wondered if any of the experts may be able to point out any possible meteorological causes of this highly unusual activity? It is quite common in Spring for a wave of migrants to arrive with a push of warm air from Europe and Africa, but this early in the year is highly unusual. Any thoughts? J Poyner. |
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![]() "J.Poyner" wrote in message ... Thought this group might be interested to know that over the past few days there has been an unprecedented arrival in the south of the UK of some summer migrants...House Martins, Swallows Sand Martins and also continental butterfly species. All these bird species usually winter around the Saharan region though a few may stay further north, but usually don't start to appear for at least another month to six weeks time. Being quite interested in the effects of weather on bird migration I wondered if any of the experts may be able to point out any possible meteorological causes of this highly unusual activity? It is quite common in Spring for a wave of migrants to arrive with a push of warm air from Europe and Africa, but this early in the year is highly unusual. Any thoughts? J Poyner. .... we had a spell, roughly from the 2nd to 5th (February), when the airflow in the lowest couple of thousand of feet was from the area of the Azores (2nd), thereafter from Madiera and the Canaries or further south - presumably there has been some mechanism to encourage migrants out of the Saharan interior (see other thread on dust injection), and they have been encouraged to come north-northeast on the warm, often brisk flow. Hence the high temperatures noted earlier in the week and the consistent warmth so far: anomaly +7degC at a conservative estimate until the last couple of days. Yesterday and today must have been a shock though - always a problem at this time of year: notably mild weather cannot be relied upon, and we are about to experience a return of somewhat more traditional February weather (frost). Norman Elkins (who I worked with for a brief time at Lossiemouth), wrote a book on the subject of Weather and Bird Migration - I believe it is still regarded as a solid reference for the subject: don't know if it is still available though. Martin. -- FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:32:01 -0000, J.Poyner wrote in
snip It is quite common in Spring for a wave of migrants to arrive with a push of warm air from Europe and Africa, but this early in the year is highly unusual. Any thoughts? As Martin has written, the winds for some days early in the month may well have encouraged them, but I still find this most fascinating. I know next to nothing about such migration, but would reckon it must be very early indeed. I imagine the mild conditions further south in recent weeks may be a another factor in encouraging this early move north. It does look as if, at least for western areas, there will be a renewed flow of warm air from the SSW. It will be most interesting to hear if more arrive and just how far north they get. I don't normally see any of the swallow family here until well into April. I'll be on the lookout. -- Mike 55.13°N 6.69°W Coleraine posted to uk.sci.weather 08/02/2004 21:35:38 UTC |
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![]() "Mike Tullett" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:32:01 -0000, J.Poyner wrote in snip It is quite common in Spring for a wave of migrants to arrive with a push of warm air from Europe and Africa, but this early in the year is highly unusual. Any thoughts? As Martin has written, the winds for some days early in the month may well have encouraged them, but I still find this most fascinating. I know next to nothing about such migration, but would reckon it must be very early indeed. I imagine the mild conditions further south in recent weeks may be a another factor in encouraging this early move north. It does look as if, at least for western areas, there will be a renewed flow of warm air from the SSW. It will be most interesting to hear if more arrive and just how far north they get. I don't normally see any of the swallow family here until well into April. I'll be on the lookout. -- Mike 55.13°N 6.69°W Coleraine posted to uk.sci.weather 08/02/2004 21:35:38 UTC Most of these birds wintering in northern Africa would have begun to gradually push north by now slowly, so does seem that some have been caught up in these winds and made a very fast track. It isn't unheard of for the odd one to turn up by February as some may spend the winter around the Med region. However the influx over this week-end is pretty unusual with flocks of up to 9 House Martins seen. Reports have come from Scilly across to Sussex. It suggests that warm air from the African continent may well be pushing further north earlier than in the past....taking insects with it and thus the birds? Insectivorous aerial species such as Swallows being a pretty good indicator as they rely on quite subtle temperature changes in order for enough food to be present in the air. In spring their migration is often "blocked" by cold fronts as happened last March around Spain. Likewise during April/May arrival waves often occur with warm fronts moving north from the continent. One other related point of interest is that this winter has seen record numbers of "overwintering" insectivorous passerines such as Chiffchaff in the south. There have obviously been enough frost free days on average for them to survive so they have not been forced to move further south to France and Spain as they would have done in the past. As with most animals they take the easiest option...why waste energy and risk a potentially dangerous sea crossing when you can stay put. Thanks for all the very useful contributions. JP |
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![]() "Mike Tullett" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:32:01 -0000, J.Poyner wrote in snip It is quite common in Spring for a wave of migrants to arrive with a push of warm air from Europe and Africa, but this early in the year is highly unusual. Any thoughts? As Martin has written, the winds for some days early in the month may well have encouraged them, but I still find this most fascinating. I know next to nothing about such migration, but would reckon it must be very early indeed. I imagine the mild conditions further south in recent weeks may be a another factor in encouraging this early move north. It does look as if, at least for western areas, there will be a renewed flow of warm air from the SSW. It will be most interesting to hear if more arrive and just how far north they get. I don't normally see any of the swallow family here until well into April. I'll be on the lookout. -- Mike 55.13°N 6.69°W Coleraine posted to uk.sci.weather 08/02/2004 21:35:38 UTC My guess is also, that it has been very warm or even hot in many parts of Africa in recent days (is nearly 100c above average?) What with the dust plume that Martin mentioned, this must have had a significant impact on movement. One other possibility, what if the birds never migrated as far south as we envisage these days, is there any records of Martins (he, he) Swallows and migrant butterflies over Spain and Portugal throughout December and January. Any thoughts on that? Definitely very intriguing. Cheers Tony |
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"Martin Rowley" wrote here on 08
Feb 2004: snip Norman Elkins (who I worked with for a brief time at Lossiemouth), wrote a book on the subject of Weather and Bird Migration - I believe it is still regarded as a solid reference for the subject: don't know if it is still available though. According to Amazon, the third edition of "Weather and Bird Behaviour" (if this is the book you mean) will be published next month: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0713668253 -- Above address *is* valid - but snip spamtrap to get me to *read*! Support the world's oldest motorsport venue! http://www.shelsley-walsh.co.uk/future.html |
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"tony_powell" wrote in message
My guess is also, that it has been very warm or even hot in many parts of Africa in recent days (is nearly 100c above average?) What with the dust plume that Martin mentioned, this must have had a significant impact on movement. I've not seen anything of them. I doubt that they would have come here knowing that the warm wet weather would be provident. It is more likely that they were forced to move early by the conditions in Africa. However it appears that they could just have been so well fed by all that cyclonic stuff they are getting over there, that they were ready early. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/a...pressure.shtml They tend to migrate in flocks made up of similar generations if I remember correctly. Perhaps these birds are first broods? I presume they breed in both countries? -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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![]() "Michael McNeil" wrote Perhaps these birds are first broods? I presume they breed in both countries? Strangely most migratory species that come here in summer don't breed in Africa during our winter, but only breed after northwards migration. Jack |
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In uk.sci.weather on Sun, 8 Feb 2004 at 22:36:36, David Buttery wrote :
"Martin Rowley" wrote here on 08 Feb 2004: snip Norman Elkins (who I worked with for a brief time at Lossiemouth), wrote a book on the subject of Weather and Bird Migration - I believe it is still regarded as a solid reference for the subject: don't know if it is still available though. According to Amazon, the third edition of "Weather and Bird Behaviour" (if this is the book you mean) will be published next month: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0713668253 No unusual birds, but I did find a wasp in my room yesterday! -- Paul Hyett, Cheltenham Email to pahyett[AT]activist[DOT]demon[DOT]co[DOT]uk |
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as noted earlier (by David), the title of the book by Elkins is "Weather
and bird behaviour". The lead article in 'Weather' November 2002 was entitled 'Birds, weather and climate', and Norman was one of the co-authors. If you can't get hold of the book (above), this article gives a useful introduction to the subject. Martin. -- FAQ & Glossary for uk.sci.weather at:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/booty.weather/uswfaqfr.htm |
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