I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT *94672* is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...e=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)

Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 19:47:39 UTC+2 schreef Keith Harris:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Have you seen this, Keith ? http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/site-num.shtml

("The Bureau's site numbering system is not directly related to the station "WMO number", which forms part of the international numbering system used by the world meteorological community.")

Colin Youngs
Brussels

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:10:37 UTC+1, Colin Youngs wrote:
Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 19:47:39 UTC+2 schreef Keith Harris:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Have you seen this, Keith ? http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/site-num.shtml

("The Bureau's site numbering system is not directly related to the station "WMO number", which forms part of the international numbering system used by the world meteorological community.")

Colin Youngs
Brussels

Thanks Colin,

SO it is likely that the example I showed *is* the same location, but I can not be sure and can only go by the description.

Keith (Southend)

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 21:05:28 UTC+1, Keith Harris wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:10:37 UTC+1, Colin Youngs wrote:
Op zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 19:47:39 UTC+2 schreef Keith Harris:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Have you seen this, Keith ? http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/site-num.shtml

("The Bureau's site numbering system is not directly related to the station "WMO number", which forms part of the international numbering system used by the world meteorological community.")

Colin Youngs
Brussels

Thanks Colin,

SO it is likely that the example I showed *is* the same location, but I can not be sure and can only go by the description.

Keith (Southend)

Actually from my post about Tasmania cold I can compare the daily readings from the BOM site and if the are identical everyday 'bingo'.

Keith (Southend)

Keith Harris wrote:

I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian
sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different
numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be
sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT 94672 is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...34&p_prim_elem
ent_index=0&p_comp_element_index=0&period_of_avg=& normals_years=&redra
w=null&p_display_type=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)




Hi Keith,

I posted your enquiry onto the austpacwx e-mail list and got the
following responses. Hope they are of some assistance.

Cheers,

Norman

------------------------------------------------------------------

One thing which is different is that Australian station numbers are
fixed (once a station closes it keeps that number permanently), whereas
WMO numbers are sometimes reallocated - partly because Australia only
has 2000 WMO numbers available to it, although WMO is moving to a new
system which should remove that constraint.

You can get a station directory through the interface at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/stations/.

In general the first two digits (after the initial zero) indicate which
district the site is in (e.g. 23 for around Adelaide), although in a
couple of districts that have run out of numbers there is an initial 1
(e.g. SE Queensland is district 40 but the newest stations start 140
rather than 040).

Blair
Weather Station Directory - Bureau of Meteorology
The Weather Station Finder lets you select weather stations relevant to
your weather data requirements.
www.bom.gov.au



________________________________________
From: on behalf
of Ken Kato
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:51 AM
To:
Subject: [austpacwx] Station numbering

Yep the Bureau has its own station numbering system in addition to the
WMO one. One way you can cross-check is by clicking on the “basic
site summary� link near the bottom of the webpage whose link is in
that original email and the WMO number will be littered through the PDF
document that comes up (e.g. it’s given near the top of the PDF).
I’m not sure if there’s an easier way to do it for a big bunch of
stations though.

Ken.

--

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:47:39 UTC+1, Keith Harris wrote:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT *94672* is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...e=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)

I use the Climate Data Online at the bottom of the Bureau of Meteorology website. Search for Adelaide Airport and if you deselect only show open stations there are two stations that come up. Adelaide Airport (023034) and Adelaide Airport Old Site (023046).

Nicholas
Meir Heath, Stoke-On-Trent 250 metres above sea level.

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 20:37:47 UTC+1, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Keith Harris wrote:

I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian
sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different
numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be
sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT 94672 is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...34&p_prim_elem
ent_index=0&p_comp_element_index=0&period_of_avg=& normals_years=&redra
w=null&p_display_type=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)




Hi Keith,

I posted your enquiry onto the austpacwx e-mail list and got the
following responses. Hope they are of some assistance.

Cheers,

Norman

------------------------------------------------------------------

One thing which is different is that Australian station numbers are
fixed (once a station closes it keeps that number permanently), whereas
WMO numbers are sometimes reallocated - partly because Australia only
has 2000 WMO numbers available to it, although WMO is moving to a new
system which should remove that constraint.

You can get a station directory through the interface at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/stations/.

In general the first two digits (after the initial zero) indicate which
district the site is in (e.g. 23 for around Adelaide), although in a
couple of districts that have run out of numbers there is an initial 1
(e.g. SE Queensland is district 40 but the newest stations start 140
rather than 040).

Blair
Weather Station Directory - Bureau of Meteorology
The Weather Station Finder lets you select weather stations relevant to
your weather data requirements.
www.bom.gov.au



________________________________________
From: on behalf
of Ken Kato
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:51 AM
To:
Subject: [austpacwx] Station numbering

Yep the Bureau has its own station numbering system in addition to the
WMO one. One way you can cross-check is by clicking on the “basic
site summary� link near the bottom of the webpage whose link is in
that original email and the WMO number will be littered through the PDF
document that comes up (e.g. it’s given near the top of the PDF).
I’m not sure if there’s an easier way to do it for a big bunch of
stations though.

Ken.

--

Thanks Norman, there is a lot of data there.

I have been able to check that each location is the same location that I have with the wmo number but looking at their monthly data and comparing it with my spreadsheets from the synops, and the max/mins and rain were identical which gave me some confidence.

Isn't it a shame the Met Office isn't as generous with the data as the Australians.

Keith (Southend)

Keith Harris wrote:

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 20:37:47 UTC+1, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Keith Harris wrote:

I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian
sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a
different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I
want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT 94672 is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170
40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...023034&p_prim_
elem
ent_index=0&p_comp_element_index=0&period_of_avg=& normals_years=&r
edra w=null&p_display_type=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)




Hi Keith,

I posted your enquiry onto the austpacwx e-mail list and got the
following responses. Hope they are of some assistance.

Cheers,

Norman

------------------------------------------------------------------

One thing which is different is that Australian station numbers are
fixed (once a station closes it keeps that number permanently),
whereas WMO numbers are sometimes reallocated - partly because
Australia only has 2000 WMO numbers available to it, although WMO
is moving to a new system which should remove that constraint.

You can get a station directory through the interface at
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/stations/.

In general the first two digits (after the initial zero) indicate
which district the site is in (e.g. 23 for around Adelaide),
although in a couple of districts that have run out of numbers
there is an initial 1 (e.g. SE Queensland is district 40 but the
newest stations start 140 rather than 040).

Blair
Weather Station Directory - Bureau of Meteorology
The Weather Station Finder lets you select weather stations
relevant to your weather data requirements.
www.bom.gov.au



________________________________________
From: on
behalf of Ken Kato
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 6:51 AM
To:
Subject: [austpacwx] Station numbering

Yep the Bureau has its own station numbering system in addition to
the WMO one. One way you can cross-check is by clicking on the
“basic site summary� link near the bottom of the webpage whose
link is in that original email and the WMO number will be littered
through the PDF document that comes up (e.g. it’s given near the
top of the PDF). I’m not sure if there’s an easier way to do
it for a big bunch of stations though.

Ken.

--

Thanks Norman, there is a lot of data there.

I have been able to check that each location is the same location
that I have with the wmo number but looking at their monthly data
and comparing it with my spreadsheets from the synops, and the
max/mins and rain were identical which gave me some confidence.

Isn't it a shame the Met Office isn't as generous with the data as
the Australians.

Keith (Southend)



Hi Keith,

Here's another response that looks quite promising. I haven't checked
it out myself yet.

Cheers,

Norman

-------------------------------------------------------
An alternative, which may be more helpful, is to get the full BoM
station list. This is in a zipped text file he

ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon2/home/ncc/...s/stations.zip

It is a flat file, one row per station, showing every Bureau station
that ever existed and is updated weekly. It shows the BoM site number,
WMO number, station name, latitude, longitude, elevation, state,
district and period of record. You can open it in a spreadsheet or use
as is and search by WMO number, BoM site number, name or as you like.
Because it is frequently updated, the WMO number always corresponds to
the correct station – only current active WMO numbers are shown.
Sometimes it is easier to see the whole picture rather than the limited
scope when you look up specific names.

--

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:47:39 UTC+1, Keith Harris wrote:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT *94672* is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...e=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)

I have checked Adelaide Airport on the Bureau of Meteorology website and 023034 is the BoM number and 94672 is the WMO number.

Nicholas
Meir Heath, Stoke-On-Trent 250 metres above sea level.

On Monday, 17 August 2020 22:36:43 UTC+1, Nicholas Randall wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:47:39 UTC+1, Keith Harris wrote:
I wanted to check my 30 year averages for some of the Australian sites but looking through the BOM site they seem to use a different numbering system to the wmo numbers from the synops. I want to be sure I am using the same location, not a nearby one.

Does anyone know of a cross reference, if there is such a thing?

eg ADELAIDE AIRPORT *94672* is this link (023034) the same?

# SYNOPS from 94672, Adelaide Airport (Australia)
##################################################
202008151600 AAXX 15164 94672 45/// /0000 10076 20072 30170 40180==

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/c...e=enlarged_map

Keith (Southend)

I have checked Adelaide Airport on the Bureau of Meteorology website and 023034 is the BoM number and 94672 is the WMO number.

Nicholas
Meir Heath, Stoke-On-Trent 250 metres above sea level.

Perfect.

Thank you for passing that on Norman.

Keith (Southend)