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Just like we were for Covid-19. Mind you, Johnson is a closet denier, like many right-wingers, so just like he missed COBR meetings on Covid because he didn't believe it would happen and even if it did, herd immunity and 500,000 deaths would cover it, he won't be preparing for these - because the likelihood is it won't happen in his government's time. But it will happen:

https://theconversation.com/climate-...a-half%20years

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Paul from Dawlish wrote:

Just like we were for Covid-19. Mind you, Johnson is a closet denier,
like many right-wingers, so just like he missed COBR meetings on
Covid because he didn't believe it would happen and even if it did,
herd immunity and 500,000 deaths would cover it, he won't be
preparing for these - because the likelihood is it won't happen in
his government's time. But it will happen:

https://theconversation.com/climate-...emperatures-co
uld-be-common-in-uk-by-2100-141479?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Lates
t%20from%20The%20Conversation%20for%20July%201%202 020%20-%201665816047
&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20July%201%20202
0%20-%201665816047+CID_6d416a760062dda4846c6c75e11d7386 &utm_source=cam
paign_monitor_uk&utm_term=summer%20days%20hotter%2 0than%2040C%20could%
20happen%20every%20three-and-a-half%20years


Indeed. IMHO we have a problem facing us whose effects will be orders
of magnitude more severe than the effects of Covid-19. It's
speculation, I know, but it's easy to visualise that, by the end of
this century, climate change will result in hundreds of millions of
deaths across the world and a refugee problem on a scale that is
unprecedented. The economic impact will also be huge. IMHO this issue
has potential to bring our society and civilisation crumbling down.
This will be a slow-burner, not a dramatic change, but the effects will
be steadily growing from now on.

I heard someone on the Food Programme the other day comparing the food
availability issues due to Covid-19 and those likely to arise as a
result of climate change. He pointed out that the problems arising from
Covid-19 were demand driven i.e. panic buying, whereas the problems
arising from climate change will be supply driven i.e. broadscale crop
failures. He did make the point that supply driven food shortages have,
historically, often resulted in wars.

Fixation of governments around the world on reducing carbon emissions
is rather missing the point. Worthy though such aims most certainly
are, the more immediate problem is the climate change already locked
into the system as a result of the increased levels of CO2 already in
the atmosphere. It is very worrying to see that the reduction in
emissions during the past 3 months as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic
has had no effect on the global concentration of CO2. This has
continued to increase exponentially and is currently increasing at
about 3 ppm/yr.

The climate change already locked into the system will happen. The best
that society can hope to do is to find ways of dealing with the
inevitable effects. Sadly, I see no evidence that the matter is getting
any attention in political circles around the world. I fear that people
who are young today will have an increasingly bleak future ahead of
them and may find that they are living in a world of decreasing life
expectancy.

On that rather sombre note I'll stop :-(

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
twitter: @TideswellWeathr
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On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 11:25:16 AM UTC+1, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Paul from Dawlish wrote:

Just like we were for Covid-19. Mind you, Johnson is a closet denier,
like many right-wingers, so just like he missed COBR meetings on
Covid because he didn't believe it would happen and even if it did,
herd immunity and 500,000 deaths would cover it, he won't be
preparing for these - because the likelihood is it won't happen in
his government's time. But it will happen:

https://theconversation.com/climate-...emperatures-co
uld-be-common-in-uk-by-2100-141479?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Lates
t%20from%20The%20Conversation%20for%20July%201%202 020%20-%201665816047
&utm_content=Latest%20from%20The%20Conversation%20 for%20July%201%20202
0%20-%201665816047+CID_6d416a760062dda4846c6c75e11d7386 &utm_source=cam
paign_monitor_uk&utm_term=summer%20days%20hotter%2 0than%2040C%20could%
20happen%20every%20three-and-a-half%20years


Indeed. IMHO we have a problem facing us whose effects will be orders
of magnitude more severe than the effects of Covid-19. It's
speculation, I know, but it's easy to visualise that, by the end of
this century, climate change will result in hundreds of millions of
deaths across the world and a refugee problem on a scale that is
unprecedented. The economic impact will also be huge. IMHO this issue
has potential to bring our society and civilisation crumbling down.
This will be a slow-burner, not a dramatic change, but the effects will
be steadily growing from now on.

I heard someone on the Food Programme the other day comparing the food
availability issues due to Covid-19 and those likely to arise as a
result of climate change. He pointed out that the problems arising from
Covid-19 were demand driven i.e. panic buying, whereas the problems
arising from climate change will be supply driven i.e. broadscale crop
failures. He did make the point that supply driven food shortages have,
historically, often resulted in wars.

Fixation of governments around the world on reducing carbon emissions
is rather missing the point. Worthy though such aims most certainly
are, the more immediate problem is the climate change already locked
into the system as a result of the increased levels of CO2 already in
the atmosphere. It is very worrying to see that the reduction in
emissions during the past 3 months as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic
has had no effect on the global concentration of CO2. This has
continued to increase exponentially and is currently increasing at
about 3 ppm/yr.

The climate change already locked into the system will happen. The best
that society can hope to do is to find ways of dealing with the
inevitable effects. Sadly, I see no evidence that the matter is getting
any attention in political circles around the world. I fear that people
who are young today will have an increasingly bleak future ahead of
them and may find that they are living in a world of decreasing life
expectancy.

On that rather sombre note I'll stop :-(

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
twitter: @TideswellWeathr


Agreed. We can but trust in the young. It's partly their future and they may just be prepared to do what we patently have not and are not. The changes, as you rightly say, are locked in. It'll be for their grandchildren and others that they'll be making the changes. maybe their leaders will care more than ours?


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