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On 06/06/17 08:32, John Hall wrote:
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Now (8 am) 10.1 with continuing heavy rain and strong winds in NW
London. Admittedly not record breaking but I don't recall a "summer"
as disgusting in recent years. All the more painful as we returned
to this from Marseille last night 0
Hampstead 290 feet ASL

I can't recall a recent "summer" day quite as bad as this either.
Pretty chilly as well as windy and very wet. Don't tell Will, but I've
turned my central heating on. I don't mind a dry cold, but damp cold
is particularly unpleasant.


Sequence of hot weather at the end of May followed by cool, wet weather
in June is typical for the European Monsoon.


Yes. This would seem to be an exceptionally early onset, as IRC mid to
late June is more typical, usually coinciding with Wimbledon, Royal
Ascot and the Glastonbury festival.
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From this chart you could say that the nation is depressed
https://twitter.com/wanstead_meteo/s...39602370084864


If one was to work out the total amount of water deposited on the UK
based on the heaviness and extent of the rain, I wonder if the figure
would be close to record-breaking for June.
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On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:47:09 AM UTC+1, JohnD wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weat...0ft-waves.html

(2012 report)


Yesterday, there was no rain here after 09:00, the strongest gust was 39mph (which is so insignificant I can't be bothered to put in any strongest gust list.) Even at Land's End the strongest gust was 49mph.

It was also fairly sunny, 6hours even up over the moors.

The swell yesterday was not big off Cornwall. Yes the sea was very rough, but the actual swell struggled to reach 10'at Sevenstones http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=62107

20' (significant wave height) can occur even in Summer, and swells around 15' are fairly common all year, often combined with sunny weather here - as they are setup by near stationary depressions in mid Atlantic. (It'll almost certainly be into the teens Sat/Sun). All this doesn't prevent the appalling wave height forecasts we tend to get from the MetO, which still seem largely based on local weather - if not they should just use some decent model output or just use MagicSeaweed like anyone with sense.

All this with a weather warning, but the previous day was far worse. It rained all day with the wind gusting to 60mph. It also created some problems with yachts dragging their anchors over on Scilly, sadly http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-40170199. I remember David Braine saying on the early evening forecasts that winds could increase to 60mph. That had already happened, the severe stuff was over - even at Land's End as the the unremarkable strongest gust for Tuesday (49mph) shows.

Tuesday you could sit out of the wind with an icecream in the sun.

Monday was the bad day.
This morning http://www.sennen-cove.com/harbourcam.htm

Some places clearly warranted a warning, here it covered completely the wrong period.


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On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 8:08:50 AM UTC+1, wrote:
Now (8 am) 10.1 with continuing heavy rain and strong winds in NW London. Admittedly not record breaking but I don't recall a "summer" day as disgusting in recent years. All the more painful as we returned to this from Marseille last night 😡.

Hampstead 290 feet ASL


You weren't in the UK in June 2012?

Last June in the SE wasn't exactly June of the century either (it is pretty poor to get less than half the sunshine of the Shetland islands). There was definitely one day last June where it rained all day and there were significant swathes of standing water across some of the minor roads.

It is funny though, that within a fortnight we have had two lots of back to back soaking wet days, with a rainfall quantity that the previous nine months has completely failed to deliver (in my part of Sussex at least).
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On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 4:42:39 PM UTC+1, Keith Harris wrote:
On Tuesday, 6 June 2017 14:41:02 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:
On 06/06/2017 08:08, wrote:
Now (8 am) 10.1 with continuing heavy rain and strong winds in NW London. Admittedly not record breaking but I don't recall a "summer" day as disgusting in recent years. All the more painful as we returned to this from Marseille last night 😡.

Hampstead 290 feet ASL

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Yes I posted similar on the other group. It is a long time, summer or
winter since we have had high winds and constant heavy rain for several
hours here in Essex although we have had both separately. Temperature
around 9C most of morning and 17mm. Heating just crept on briefly as
inside temp fell below 20C.
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I've actually found it quite exciting after a long spell of nondescript weather :-)

Keith (Southend)


I wouldn't call it exciting myself. Oh yay, another crap start to the meteorological summer, the only thing more grotty was the bridge on Tuesday evening. It is just October/November in June but with more daylight and a bit warmer, although I have experienced wet days in November that were probably a similar temperature to Monday.

I was grateful for the rain as my allotment received a useful soil moisture top-up, my water butts were empty and I'd sown some carrots and plated out leeks, which will have been nicely watered in now.


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