We've seen this one before but it's worth another look because it shows so
clearly the reason for the sea ice decline. This version has a slightly better
commentary. Best viewed full screen.

https://twitter.com/NOAAClimate/stat...80990559850497

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

On Thursday, 15 December 2016 09:48:03 UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
We've seen this one before but it's worth another look because it shows so
clearly the reason for the sea ice decline. This version has a slightly better
commentary. Best viewed full screen.

https://twitter.com/NOAAClimate/stat...80990559850497

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org
@TideswellWeathr

Norman,
Do you mean that the sea ice decline is caused by the thick sea ice adjacent the Canadian archipelago being drawn into the Beaufort Gyre, and into the Transpolar current which takes it out of the Arctic via the Fram Strait.
http://www.windows2universe.org/eart..._currents.html

But why is that happening now?

For god's sake leave this alone. It only demonstrates that media hype and falsified stats can fool the masses.

We are just at the end of a significant El Nino event.. what else woukd you expect?

Also, you actually believe the publidhed stats ftom a corrupt and dishonourable set of global government agencies? All of which are doing anything for funding.

Nowhere is the raw data available unadjusted and impartial...I know, I work for the experts, have done for multiple decades.

So let it lie and wait to see what the real data might show next year when they are suddenly worried about something else, probably the decline of solar activity, the substantial increase in Extra Solar Gamma rays and how it will affect us all! Basically, whatever becomes political and more importantly, newsworthy enough to cause even more hysteria.

What ever we are fed, it is embellished and twisted...to serve a purpose, including to raise research funding and/or to keep us all confused and ignorant to the benefit of the puppeteers.

Don't believe everything you are fed, wherever you see it.

Try to relax and have a great Chrisymas. All will be the same next year, believe me.

On 15/12/2016 09:48, Norman Lynagh wrote:
We've seen this one before but it's worth another look because it shows so
clearly the reason for the sea ice decline. This version has a slightly better
commentary. Best viewed full screen.

https://twitter.com/NOAAClimate/stat...80990559850497


What all the tosh, linking El Nino to sea-ice loss.
I defy anyone to see any correlation between these plots, including
negativising or phasing adjustment of graphed out
El Nino data over 35 years
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/product...nsoyears.shtml

overlaid aligned on global (arctic+antarctic) sea-ice daily totals and
normalised anomaly over 35 years .
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg

before it crapped out because input data went off the plot.
Placed here
http://diverse.4mg.com/global_seaice_plus_el_nino.jpg

On 15/12/16 12:10, Crusader wrote:
For god's sake leave this alone. It only demonstrates that media hype and falsified stats can fool the masses.

We are just at the end of a significant El Nino event.. what else woukd you expect?

We haven't been having El Nino events every year for the past century.
That's the length of time that Arctic sea-ice has been declining. The
loss of ice in the Arctic and from glaciers was noticed and being
studied back in the 1950s. The conclusion back then was that the decline
was not due to natural causes such as changes in solar output. The true
cause was then unknown because nobody had been listening to Callendar.


Also, you actually believe the publidhed stats ftom a corrupt and dishonourable set of global government agencies? All of which are doing anything for funding.

Nowhere is the raw data available unadjusted and impartial...I know, I work for the experts, have done for multiple decades.

What experts and what is your job?


So let it lie and wait to see what the real data might show next year when they are suddenly worried about something else, probably the decline of solar activity, the substantial increase in Extra Solar Gamma rays and how it will affect us all! Basically, whatever becomes political and more importantly, newsworthy enough to cause even more hysteria.

We have over a century of real data from the Arctic. That shows that the
time for waiting is long over and it's probably too late for action to
have any meaningful effect.


What ever we are fed, it is embellished and twisted...to serve a purpose, including to raise research funding and/or to keep us all confused and ignorant to the benefit of the puppeteers.

So you'd rather believe lies from know-nothings who are funded by the
oil companies?


Don't believe everything you are fed, wherever you see it.

I certainly wouldn't believe anything from you.


Try to relax and have a great Chrisymas. All will be the same next year, believe me.


I doubt it.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
There are more fools than knaves in the world, else the knaves would
not have enough to live upon. [Samuel Butler]

On 15/12/2016 13:57, Graham P Davis wrote:
On 15/12/16 12:10, Crusader wrote:
For god's sake leave this alone. It only demonstrates that media hype
and falsified stats can fool the masses.

We are just at the end of a significant El Nino event.. what else
woukd you expect?

We haven't been having El Nino events every year for the past century.
That's the length of time that Arctic sea-ice has been declining. The
loss of ice in the Arctic and from glaciers was noticed and being
studied back in the 1950s. The conclusion back then was that the decline
was not due to natural causes such as changes in solar output. The true
cause was then unknown because nobody had been listening to Callendar.


Also, you actually believe the publidhed stats ftom a corrupt and
dishonourable set of global government agencies? All of which are
doing anything for funding.

Nowhere is the raw data available unadjusted and impartial...I know, I
work for the experts, have done for multiple decades.

What experts and what is your job?


So let it lie and wait to see what the real data might show next year
when they are suddenly worried about something else, probably the
decline of solar activity, the substantial increase in Extra Solar
Gamma rays and how it will affect us all! Basically, whatever
becomes political and more importantly, newsworthy enough to cause
even more hysteria.

We have over a century of real data from the Arctic. That shows that the
time for waiting is long over and it's probably too late for action to
have any meaningful effect.


What ever we are fed, it is embellished and twisted...to serve a
purpose, including to raise research funding and/or to keep us all
confused and ignorant to the benefit of the puppeteers.

So you'd rather believe lies from know-nothings who are funded by the
oil companies?


Don't believe everything you are fed, wherever you see it.

I certainly wouldn't believe anything from you.


Try to relax and have a great Chrisymas. All will be the same next
year, believe me.


I doubt it.



Well said Graham.

What poeple don't get a grasp of is the shear speed of ice decline and
increased global temperatures, which knowone know what the knock on
effect will really be.

Mind you, what I see of the human race around the World, we must be due
for 40 days and 40 nights of rain before long.

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

On Thursday, 15 December 2016 14:30:45 UTC, Keith (Southend)G wrote:
On 15/12/2016 13:57, Graham P Davis wrote:
On 15/12/16 12:10, Crusader wrote:
For god's sake leave this alone. It only demonstrates that media hype
and falsified stats can fool the masses.

We are just at the end of a significant El Nino event.. what else
woukd you expect?

We haven't been having El Nino events every year for the past century.
That's the length of time that Arctic sea-ice has been declining. The
loss of ice in the Arctic and from glaciers was noticed and being
studied back in the 1950s. The conclusion back then was that the decline
was not due to natural causes such as changes in solar output. The true
cause was then unknown because nobody had been listening to Callendar.


Also, you actually believe the publidhed stats ftom a corrupt and
dishonourable set of global government agencies? All of which are
doing anything for funding.

Nowhere is the raw data available unadjusted and impartial...I know, I
work for the experts, have done for multiple decades.

What experts and what is your job?


So let it lie and wait to see what the real data might show next year
when they are suddenly worried about something else, probably the
decline of solar activity, the substantial increase in Extra Solar
Gamma rays and how it will affect us all! Basically, whatever
becomes political and more importantly, newsworthy enough to cause
even more hysteria.

We have over a century of real data from the Arctic. That shows that the
time for waiting is long over and it's probably too late for action to
have any meaningful effect.


What ever we are fed, it is embellished and twisted...to serve a
purpose, including to raise research funding and/or to keep us all
confused and ignorant to the benefit of the puppeteers.

So you'd rather believe lies from know-nothings who are funded by the
oil companies?


Don't believe everything you are fed, wherever you see it.

I certainly wouldn't believe anything from you.


Try to relax and have a great Chrisymas. All will be the same next
year, believe me.


I doubt it.



Well said Graham.

What poeple don't get a grasp of is the shear speed of ice decline and
increased global temperatures, which knowone know what the knock on
effect will really be.

Mind you, what I see of the human race around the World, we must be due
for 40 days and 40 nights of rain before long.

--
Keith (Southend)
"Weather Home & Abroad"
http://www.southendweather.net
Twitter:@SS9Weatherman

There are always nutters and we know who that particular one is. Ignore him.. Norman's updates are very interesting. Personally, I'm not convinced of any step change. Let's give that a couple of years and I feel we may have seen a recovery towards the recent norms by March. If not; let's see if there is a record next September. If there is, let's see if the current ice loss is repeated next winter.

Ice decline is a long process.

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:57:02 PM UTC, Graham P Davis wrote:
On 15/12/16 12:10, Crusader wrote:
For god's sake leave this alone. It only demonstrates that media hype and falsified stats can fool the masses.

We are just at the end of a significant El Nino event.. what else woukd you expect?

We haven't been having El Nino events every year for the past century.
That's the length of time that Arctic sea-ice has been declining. The
loss of ice in the Arctic and from glaciers was noticed and being
studied back in the 1950s. The conclusion back then was that the decline
was not due to natural causes such as changes in solar output. The true
cause was then unknown because nobody had been listening to Callendar.


Also, you actually believe the publidhed stats ftom a corrupt and dishonourable set of global government agencies? All of which are doing anything for funding.

Nowhere is the raw data available unadjusted and impartial...I know, I work for the experts, have done for multiple decades.

What experts and what is your job?


So let it lie and wait to see what the real data might show next year when they are suddenly worried about something else, probably the decline of solar activity, the substantial increase in Extra Solar Gamma rays and how it will affect us all! Basically, whatever becomes political and more importantly, newsworthy enough to cause even more hysteria.

We have over a century of real data from the Arctic. That shows that the
time for waiting is long over and it's probably too late for action to
have any meaningful effect.


What ever we are fed, it is embellished and twisted...to serve a purpose, including to raise research funding and/or to keep us all confused and ignorant to the benefit of the puppeteers.

So you'd rather believe lies from know-nothings who are funded by the
oil companies?


Don't believe everything you are fed, wherever you see it.

I certainly wouldn't believe anything from you.


Try to relax and have a great Chrisymas. All will be the same next year, believe me.


I doubt it.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. [Retd meteorologist/programmer]
Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/

Well said.

Graham
Penzance

So Who am I Paul? Do your worst. Predict that with any accuracy without model data!

Senior Operational Meteorologist is my work title and my company is in Exeter.

"Crusader" wrote in message
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So Who am I Paul? Do your worst. Predict that with any accuracy without
model data!

Senior Operational Meteorologist is my work title and my company is in
Exeter.


Ha ha how you doing? Don't worry I won't reveal your name. Here's to a
stormy Christmas!

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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