"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...er=accuweather
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"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

"Keith(Southend)" wrote in message
...
Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

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Hmmm. Not sure about Joes accuracy. Several of his forecasts were off target
last winter.

Phil

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

In article ,
"Keith(Southend)" writes:
Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...er=accuweather

I think the operative word in that quotation is "may". :) Actually, for
most of Europe a harsher winter than last wouldn't be saying much, as
Scandinavia and eastern Europe had a pretty mild winter.
--
John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
pays off now." Anon

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

This makes me think of my old adage:

The credibility of the forecaster is inversely proportional to the range of
the forecast

*******i thinks that CO2 has no effect on global temperatures because he
says that it is a trace gas. This sort of leaves me speechless that someone
could be so ignorant of such basic concepts. Well it's a good job ozone
works despite it being a trace gas.

Then again, I've noticed that his forecasts are about as good as his
understanding of physics; not much.
_____________________
Nick
83 m amsl
Otter Valley, Devon
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...
Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

This makes me think of my old adage:

The credibility of the forecaster is inversely proportional to the range
of the forecast

*******i thinks that CO2 has no effect on global temperatures because he
says that it is a trace gas. This sort of leaves me speechless that
someone could be so ignorant of such basic concepts. Well it's a good job
ozone works despite it being a trace gas.

I wonder if he would like to live in a world where there was *no* CO2?
I think then he might appreciate just what an important 'trace' gas it is!
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

Keith(Southend) wrote:

Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...er=accuweather


If you really want to get into fantasy land a subscription to Netweather Extra
is good value for money. Amongst a whole variety of really useful stuff they
also include surface and upper air forecast charts for the North Atlantic and
Europe in 12-hourly time-steps out to 9 months ahead, updated daily! These
originate in NCEP in the USA. Today's issue shows mild SW'lies over the country
for Christmas Day! They also have UK regional monthly forecasts out to 9 months
ahead, also originating in NCEP. It's all quite entertaining stuff but they
also have a great deal of very useful "conventional" model output on the site.
It's one of the more useful sites I've come across. The cost of the
subscription is very modest - and no, I am not in any way involved with the
site other than as a subscriber.


--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

"Norman" wrote in message
...
Keith(Southend) wrote:

Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...er=accuweather


If you really want to get into fantasy land a subscription to Netweather
Extra
is good value for money. Amongst a whole variety of really useful stuff
they
also include surface and upper air forecast charts for the North Atlantic
and
Europe in 12-hourly time-steps out to 9 months ahead, updated daily! These
originate in NCEP in the USA. Today's issue shows mild SW'lies over the
country
for Christmas Day! They also have UK regional monthly forecasts out to 9
months
ahead, also originating in NCEP. It's all quite entertaining stuff but
they
also have a great deal of very useful "conventional" model output on the
site.
It's one of the more useful sites I've come across. The cost of the
subscription is very modest - and no, I am not in any way involved with
the
site other than as a subscriber.


--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
------------------------------
He was exposed last year as being hopeless. I'm still waiting for all that
harsh weather and blizzards from last winter. One day all these "long range"
mystic Megs will get one right and we will have to put up with all the "told
you" they were good posts ;-(

Dave

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...

"Norman" wrote in message
...
Keith(Southend) wrote:

Now that's what I call a long range forecast ;-)

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...er=accuweather


If you really want to get into fantasy land a subscription to Netweather
Extra
is good value for money. Amongst a whole variety of really useful stuff
they
also include surface and upper air forecast charts for the North Atlantic
and
Europe in 12-hourly time-steps out to 9 months ahead, updated daily!
These
originate in NCEP in the USA. Today's issue shows mild SW'lies over the
country
for Christmas Day! They also have UK regional monthly forecasts out to 9
months
ahead, also originating in NCEP. It's all quite entertaining stuff but
they
also have a great deal of very useful "conventional" model output on the
site.
It's one of the more useful sites I've come across. The cost of the
subscription is very modest - and no, I am not in any way involved with
the
site other than as a subscriber.


--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
------------------------------
He was exposed last year as being hopeless. I'm still waiting for all that
harsh weather and blizzards from last winter. One day all these "long
range" mystic Megs will get one right and we will have to put up with all
the "told you" they were good posts ;-(

Dave

Hi Dave, Joe is actually quite a good meteorologist who is respected, you
can tell that. I guess that as a professional I can read in between the
lines more and see where he is coming from rather than taking what he says
as absolute fact. I agree the presentation could be a lot better, but if you
can get behind the language and accept that he is really talking of
possibilities despite how he says it, then it will make more sense. He gets
excited about weather and that comes across too, always a good thing in my
book. I know his views on global warming alienate some people but that is
really an issue for them not Joe, he is entitled to a view, particularly as
a professional.

Will
--

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up for Europe"
 

global warming alienate some people but that is really an issue for
them not Joe, he is entitled to a view, particularly as a
professional.

Even if his views defy the laws of physics (see my earlier post about trace
gases in the atmosphere), surely as a 'professional' he should know better
than that.

It seems, after doing a bit of Googling he isn't as respected as some may
think. And the lack of probabilities in his forecasts, and his leaning
towards exaggeration & hype appear to cause some concern amongst his peers.
________________
Nick.
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"and a winter more harsh than last year may be shaping up forEurope"
 

On 9 June, 19:55, "Norman" wrote:

These
originate in NCEP in the USA. Today's issue shows mild SW'lies over the country
for Christmas Day!

I don't know - sounds about right to me !

Richard