On Sep 6, 9:47*am, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Monday 06 September 2010 08:55, Dawlish scribbled:





On Sep 6, 6:49 am, Mike McMillan wrote:
On Sep 5, 10:09 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

"Mike McMillan" wrote in message

....

"In the spirit of transparency, I was wrong about global temp
dropping in August

The global temp DID NOT FALL in August as I had predicted it too.
Whether this a delay of my idea, or denial will be settled in the
spring. In the meantime the .51 was slightly cooler than the .52 in
August of 1998 and means this year still trails the warmest satellite
year on record, 1998"

http://www.accuweather.com/ukie/bast...urope-blog.asp

The near surface temperatures at the moment are higher than 1998

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem....csh?amsutemps

I saw that Mike and Joe had the grace to own up; however we are talking
about the timing of the cooling process. Its amazing though that there
seems to be no explanation for this shot of heat after 2008. I suppose
the AGW's could argue it's an accumulative build up of latent energy
in the world storage tanks -the oceans.

By the way how are your accumulators *and photovoltaic panels ; *the
thought of all that excess energy in the summer months and you
hoovering frantically not to waste it does make me smile.

oops, started something there. It was only supposed to be tongue in
cheek, I was surprised he admitted
to being slightly out so early in his prediction.
Great summer for power, although I have been away for a good part of
it, working in the Med. I am considering
upgrading and applying for a "stand alone" FITS payments. Apparently
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For climate deniers, the cooling is always going to happen in the
future. We have had a period of record temperatures over the last 16
months and they are not yet falling despite strong negative forcings.
Combining the two satellite measures show August to have been a record
month for global temperatures and the obvious question any sceptic
must ask themselves is "why is it so warm". A denier like Natsman
won't even bother asking the question, as it simply cannot be CO2 to a
climate denier, but I suspect that Lawrence may actually be a sceptic
as he has asked the question, to his credit.

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001

Just as a rider to that link. Is anyone able to explain why the trace
for August stayed below 2009's temperatures all month, yet the UAH
series places August warmer than August 2009? That's been puzzling me.
I can only think that either the daily trace is a good indication,
rather than an accurate measure, or that the trace measures the
temperature at a slightly different height from the final measure, or
that the trace measures a different area of the surface. I think
Graham(? Sorry if it's someone else!) has commented on this last
possible reason and he may well be correct.

Thanks Paul, it was me. The times of year at which the maximum temperature
occurs (late March) shows that the area is (a) mostly in the southern
hemisphere and (b) over water.



http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

Wouldn't it be nice if people would put a title on their list of data such
as this? Can't be too difficult to stick one line at the top of the page
saying what it is?

No August on it yet so I'll tap the reload button each day to see how it's
faring.

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Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. *E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy".
"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl
Sagan
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I thought that might be the case, thanks Graham. The trace is probably
skeewed towards reflecting the atmospheric cooling over the equatorial
Pacific to a greater degree than it should be then and it is not
reflecting the the temperature of the globe as a whole. That makes
perfect sense and would explain the anomalously high trace from Aug
2009 - April 2010. Roy Spencer often puts the most recent month's
value on his homepage before it goes onto the main UAH list. The
August value of +0.51C, warmer than last month and much warmer than
the +0,24C of Aug 2009, is on there.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/10/...te-0-42-deg-c/

I wish he'd update the rest of that homepage mind - to have Sept 2009
as the main article just looks silly.

at least they try to forecast you ****head.

unlike your "no forecast" cop out

chicken ****

On 06/09/2010 1:23 PM, Dawlish wrote:

.............and the 5 wrong forecasts for USA winters, which caused
him to be moved from the USA desk to the European desk? And his
curent
forecast that global temperatures would plummet, well before now?
Will's forecast was a fair bit better and Dave is correct in
questioning his Christmas forecast, isn't he? I submit that Joe's
"forecast" was a lucky guess, based upon a (hoped for) reason that
proved to be
completely wrong.