So much talk on this ng about how one feels it is autumn or summer.
Should we not be tied down to figures? This is afterall a science ng.
There is no room for feelings.

Since when did the weather care about us?

Len Wood
Wembury

as an ageing traditionalist, I believe autumn starts at the equinox.
for 2010, this is 0309utc on 23rd September
PeterJ

"PeterJ" wrote in message
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as an ageing traditionalist, I believe autumn starts at the equinox.
for 2010, this is 0309utc on 23rd September

I think sometimes people get rather too hung up on definitions
and try to fit a naturally variable phenomenon like the weather
into the artificial constraints of the man-made calendar.

Yes, we need some kind of a definition merely for statistical
purposes, how else are we going to know that it was the
wettest autumn since records began?
And for that September/October/November is a good enough
definition of autumn.

At the moment it's still August but there is a cold wind lashing
the rain against my window in a most un-summery fashion.
But in a few days' time, in September, I expect it will become
warm & sunny.
Go figure
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

anachronistic or what?
I recognise your view that autumn is Sep-Nov, albeit a recent man-made
invention.
I trust you recognise that others feel the natural cycle of earth/sun
orbit is indicative of seasonal change.
Figuratively speaking ;-)
PeterJ

On Sunday 29 August 2010 15:59, PeterJ scribbled:


anachronistic or what?
I recognise your view that autumn is Sep-Nov, albeit a recent man-made
invention.
I trust you recognise that others feel the natural cycle of earth/sun
orbit is indicative of seasonal change.
Figuratively speaking ;-)

Using the three whole months is more convenient and, in a way, is also more
accurate. The middle of January is the the time of minimum temperature in
the northern hemisphere and is also the middle of the 3-month winter period.
The maximum also falls in the middle of the 3-month summer.

I just can't go along with the idea that the 20th of December is still
autumn and and 20th March is winter. Mind you, midsummer's day falling two
or three days after your first day of summer and hence summer lasting less
than a week might be realistic.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy".
"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl
Sagan
Pakistan Floods Appeal: http://www.dec.org.uk/

PeterJ wrote:
anachronistic or what?
I recognise your view that autumn is Sep-Nov, albeit a recent man-made
invention.

For statistical purposes only, as you have to define *some* period
as autumn, otherwise how are you going to record climate?

I trust you recognise that others feel the natural cycle of earth/sun
orbit is indicative of seasonal change.

Well yes, that is what I meant all along.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 at 00:15:50, PeterJ wrote in
uk.sci.weather :

as an ageing traditionalist, I believe autumn starts at the equinox.
for 2010, this is 0309utc on 23rd September

Except that the tradition position is that it starts on Sep 1st...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Len Wood" wrote in message
...
So much talk on this ng about how one feels it is autumn or summer.
Should we not be tied down to figures? This is afterall a science ng.
There is no room for feelings.

Since when did the weather care about us?

Len Wood
Wembury

Surely Autumn starts when Summer has finished. Or is that too simplistic?

jim, Northampton

In article ,
Paul Hyett writes:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 at 00:15:50, PeterJ wrote in
uk.sci.weather :

as an ageing traditionalist, I believe autumn starts at the equinox.
for 2010, this is 0309utc on 23rd September

Except that the tradition position is that it starts on Sep 1st...

I suppose that it depends on whose tradition you are following.

Apparently in the middle ages February was considered to mark the
beginning of spring. I wonder if that means that August was considered
to be part of autumn?
--
John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian

On Aug 29, 11:36*pm, "jbm" wrote:
"Len Wood" wrote in message

...

So much talk on this ng about how one feels it is autumn or summer.
Should we not be tied down to figures? This is afterall a science ng.
There is no room for feelings.

Since when did the weather care about us?

Len Wood
Wembury

Surely Autumn starts when Summer has finished. Or is that too simplistic?

jim, Northampton

The title of this thread, which I started on 28 Aug, is still
relevant.
Will got the ball rolling with his brave prediction on 27 July of an
early autumn.
Paul from Dawlish Warren has given his judgement on that one. I
broadly agree with it.
August ended with such a mixed bag of weather, it could hardly be
called autumn. I think Will was suggesting a breakdown of any blocks
and a return to zonality with a succession of depressions, some
rapidly deepening, as an indication of autumn.
We got a couple of heavy rain events on 22nd and 25th Aug in the
south, but no real gales, although it did get very windy down the east
coast.
But since we have had fine weather in the south, an extended summer?

Is autumn late this year? Or is it due to arrive around the the
equinox which will fit into some people's definition.

I hope it will not be long before someone predicts an early winter.
It's all good fun.

Can anyone feel it in their Rossby waves?

Len Wood
Wembury, SW Devon