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Old July 3rd 09, 08:29 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
Kate Brown[_3_]
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Here I am in SW France with a splendid view towards the east, perfect
for cloud spotting. Lots of very beautiful cumulonimbus rising over the
Auvergne due east and the Limousin (hi Colin!) to the north-east in the
last few days. And also cloud streets. Given that the wind has been
quite feeble here and it's often been difficult to judge which way the
clouds are actually moving, can one tell from the direction of the line
of clouds? It seems to be straight along the line of battle, so to
speak, but is this a reliable rule of thumb?

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Old July 3rd 09, 08:54 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
George Booth
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"Kate Brown" wrote in message
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Here I am in SW France with a splendid view towards the east, perfect for
cloud spotting. Lots of very beautiful cumulonimbus rising over the
Auvergne due east and the Limousin (hi Colin!) to the north-east in the
last few days. And also cloud streets. Given that the wind has been
quite feeble here and it's often been difficult to judge which way the
clouds are actually moving, can one tell from the direction of the line of
clouds? It seems to be straight along the line of battle, so to speak,
but is this a reliable rule of thumb?

--
Kate B


I have always found cloud streets to be aligned within a few degrees of wind
direction at cloud level. Easy to interpret looking up from the ground but
less clear the higher you get. At least that's my excuse.

All the best


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Old July 4th 09, 03:17 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
Martin Rowley
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"Kate Brown" wrote ...
Here I am in SW France with a splendid view towards the east,
perfect for cloud spotting. Lots of very beautiful cumulonimbus
rising over the Auvergne due east and the Limousin (hi Colin!) to
the north-east in the last few days. And also cloud streets.
Given that the wind has been quite feeble here and it's often been
difficult to judge which way the clouds are actually moving, can
one tell from the direction of the line of clouds? It seems to be
straight along the line of battle, so to speak, but is this a
reliable rule of thumb?


"George Booth" wrote ...
I have always found cloud streets to be aligned within a few degrees
of wind direction at cloud level. Easy to interpret looking up from
the ground but less clear the higher you get. At least that's my
excuse.


.... cloud streets are, as George states, broadly aligned with the mean
wind through the convective layer (at surface I assume the wind was
light/variable).

Not sure what you were looking at yesterday (3rd), but if Bordeaux is
representative, then the mean wind direction was roughly WSW'ly - does
that fit in?

The subject of streets in cloud layers etc., is fascinating - beyond
my full understanding I'm afraid, but I do remember that you need some
sort of *speed* shear (increase) with height, but not too much, and
little or no *directional* shear (change of direction). Anything else,
and the cloud elements tend to be arranged haphazardly, and you don't
get the 'roll' dynamics which get translated to updraughts and
downdraughts to arrange the cloud as it forms. I believe that such
'rolls' are now modelled explicitly in some NWP suites as they are
important in the vertical transport of moisture, momentum etc.

Martin.


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