http://www.weather-banter.co.uk A web gateway with the finest weather related newsgroups. en Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:00:53 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/images/002/misc/rss.jpg http://www.weather-banter.co.uk http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/127520-cloud-rotation-poole-dorset-new-post.html Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:42:59 GMT Thunder and hail here in Branksome Poole about 15:20. Very slow moving thundery showers. Heavy rain with some large hail. A big group of staff gathered to watch a very menicing dark cloud with rotation that could be seen very clearly. One member of staff got a lump on his head from a very large piece of hail approx 12mm diametre. Heardly a breath of wind. Clouds seem to be forming in situ. Thunder and hail here in Branksome Poole about 15:20.
Very slow moving thundery showers.
Heavy rain with some large hail.

A big group of staff gathered to watch a very menicing dark cloud with
rotation that could be seen very clearly.
One member of staff got a lump on his head from a very large piece of hail
approx 12mm diametre.

Heardly a breath of wind. Clouds seem to be forming in situ.

Gary

Bournemouth Town Centre


]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/127520-cloud-rotation-poole-dorset.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/sci-geo-meteorology-meteorology/128872-how-your-government-can-tackle-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:22:55 GMT wrote: > "john fernbach" wrote in message > > news:624274a3-ca44-4968-bd12-eebb05b881ab@t2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,]]> sci.geo.meteorology, alt.energy.renewable, alt.politics.bush,
alt.conspiracy

On Nov 19, 10:48 pm, "nbzoo" > wrote:

> "john fernbach" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,
> > isn't it?
>
> > To do nothing much in times of national need?
>

> Thankfully doing nothing in times of mass hysteria over alleged global
> warming.

Bozo, I clearly disagree with you over whether trying to avert AGW
reflects "mass hysteria." I think you're lying like hell about that.
But I really was trying to make a bigger point regarding government
and its role.

Peter Franks, judging from his recent post, seems to think that the
first task of government, when confronted with a national emergency
(say, the current meltdown of the financial markets, for example),
should be to reform itself -- to make sure that the government itself
is clean & pure, and never mind about the national emergency.

I'd like to submit, as respectfully as I can, that this is basically a
stupid proposition. Regardless of how one feels about AGW and the
obscenely enormous CO2 emissions of the fossil fuel industries.

The preamble to the U.S. Constitution states that among the chief
purposes of government is preserving and advancing the "general
welfare." It doesn't state that one of the main purposes of
government is the perfection of its own internal purity.

Of course the Free Market fundamentalists disagree, since y'all seem
to look on the "Invisible Hand of the Market" as being close to the
Will of God. [If you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, I think this free
market worship should count as a kind of "idolatry" -- but hey, who's
counting?]

But most people who pay lots of taxes to the government, although we
grumble about, expect it to do something positive with our damned
money. Right now, a government fix for what ails the financial
markets and the larger economy would be a treat.

For the government to engage in agonies of self-criticism and self-
perfection in order to turn itself into the political equivalent of a
jeweled Russian Easter Egg, a nearly flawless object of surpassing
esthetic appeal, seems pretty much irrelevant.


]]> sci.geo.meteorology (Meteorology) john fernbach http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/sci-geo-meteorology-meteorology/128872-how-your-government-can-tackle.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/sci-geo-meteorology-meteorology/128871-how-your-government-can-tackle-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:21:08 GMT wrote: > "john fernbach" wrote in message > > news:624274a3-ca44-4968-bd12-eebb05b881ab@t2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,]]> sci.geo.meteorology, alt.energy.renewable, alt.politics.bush,
alt.conspiracy

On Nov 19, 10:48 pm, "nbzoo" > wrote:

> "john fernbach" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,
> > isn't it?
>
> > To do nothing much in times of national need?
>

> Thankfully doing nothing in times of mass hysteria over alleged global
> warming.

Bozo, I clearly disagree with you over whether trying to avert AGW
reflects "mass hysteria." I think you're lying like hell about that.
But I really was trying to make a bigger point regarding government
and its role.

Peter Franks, judging from his recent post, seems to think that the
first task of government, when confronted with a national emergency
(say, the current meltdown of the financial markets, for example),
should be to reform itself -- to make sure that the government itself
is clean & pure, and never mind about the national emergency.

I'd like to submit, as respectfully as I can, that this is basically a
stupid proposition. Regardless of how one feels about AGW and the
obscenely enormous CO2 emissions of the fossil fuel industries.

The preamble to the U.S. Constitution states that among the chief
purposes of government is preserving and advancing the "general
welfare." It doesn't state that one of the main purposes of
government is the perfection of its own internal purity.

Of course the Free Market fundamentalists disagree, since y'all seem
to look on the "Invisible Hand of the Market" as being close to the
Will of God. [If you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, I think this free
market worship should count as a kind of "idolatry" -- but hey, who's
counting?]

But most people who pay lots of taxes to the government, although we
grumble about, expect it to do something positive with our damned
money. Right now, a government fix for what ails the financial
markets and the larger economy would be a treat.

For the government to engage in agonies of self-criticism and self-
perfection in order to turn itself into the political equivalent of a
jeweled Russian Easter Egg, a nearly flawless object of surpassing
esthetic appeal, seems pretty much irrelevant.


]]> sci.geo.meteorology (Meteorology) john fernbach http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/sci-geo-meteorology-meteorology/128871-how-your-government-can-tackle.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128870-obs-reading-southcote-20-nov-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:09:53 GMT Southcote - 1500Z NW F3 9999 1Sc030 3Ac150 7CiCs220 +12.6/+5.3 1017 Small amounts of CuSc and 7/8 medium and high cloud since late morning Max +13.8 Eric Belton Southcote - 1500Z

NW F3 9999 1Sc030 3Ac150 7CiCs220 +12.6/+5.3 1017
Small amounts of CuSc and 7/8 medium and high cloud since late morning
Max +13.8

Eric Belton
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Eric Belton http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128870-obs-reading-southcote-20-nov.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128869-ukmo-website-rehash-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:53:07 GMT Everybody -

The severe weather alert's been moved to the extreme right hand side of
the header out of immediate view I thought the east coast snow had been
cancelled....

Some people do love to muck around with things.......

Les
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128869-ukmo-website-rehash.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128868-current-temperature-may-highest-least-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:24 GMT Enjoy today. Temperature is currently at 11.8C - I doubt if it'll reach
that again for some time, from what I can see in the charts ;-)
Dave


]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Dave Cornwell http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128868-current-temperature-may-highest-least.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128867-obs-whipsnade-beds-thu-20-a-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:41:40 GMT 0850z W F4 70km 1Cu010 6Ci250 11.0/08.7 1018.0 RMK: Tr cu fra; also 2Sc, 1Ac, and 2Ci200. No optical phenomena. 09-09: Tx 11.0 Tn 5.3 Tg 3.4 RR nil sss 4.7 Day max 10.0 Philip Eden Whipsnade 214m 0850z W F4 70km 1Cu010 6Ci250 11.0/08.7 1018.0
RMK: Tr cu fra; also 2Sc, 1Ac, and 2Ci200.
No optical phenomena.

09-09: Tx 11.0 Tn 5.3 Tg 3.4 RR nil sss 4.7
Day max 10.0

Philip Eden
Whipsnade 214m


]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Philip Eden http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128867-obs-whipsnade-beds-thu-20-a.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128866-obs-wokingham-20nov08-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:45 GMT 20 November 2008 Wokingham 0900z 270 08/15kt 60km 1Cu018 +12.2/+8.3 QFF 1018.6 +0.8 in 3hr RMK 1Sc025 2Cc200 1Ci250 Cu hum. Total cloud 3 okta Dry since 15z yesterday. Large amounts of Ci at first, but sky becoming mainly clear in evening. Probably clear for part of night, but ovc Sc at 07z, clearing soon after. 09-09 Max 13.6 Min 7.1 Grass min 0.9 Rain 0.0 Sun (00-24) 6.2 20 November 2008
Wokingham 0900z 270 08/15kt 60km 1Cu018
+12.2/+8.3 QFF 1018.6 +0.8 in 3hr
RMK 1Sc025 2Cc200 1Ci250 Cu hum. Total cloud 3 okta
Dry since 15z yesterday. Large amounts of Ci at first, but sky
becoming mainly clear in evening. Probably clear for part of
night, but ovc Sc at 07z, clearing soon after.

09-09 Max 13.6 Min 7.1 Grass min 0.9
Rain 0.0 Sun (00-24) 6.2
AWS Max 13.4 Min 7.0



--
Bernard Burton
Wokingham, Berkshire, UK.

Satellite images at:
www.woksat.info/wwp.html



]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Bernard Burton http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128866-obs-wokingham-20nov08.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128865-obs-reading-southcote-20-nov-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:05:37 GMT Southcote - 0900Z W F3 9999 1Cu015 3Ci220 +11.7/+8.7 1019 1Ac120 also present Max yesterday +13.9 Min last night +7.1 Grass Min +3.4 Rain Nil Southcote - 0900Z

W F3 9999 1Cu015 3Ci220 +11.7/+8.7 1019
1Ac120 also present

Max yesterday +13.9
Min last night +7.1
Grass Min +3.4
Rain Nil

Eric Belton
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Eric Belton http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128865-obs-reading-southcote-20-nov.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128864-obs-evershot-wdorset-thurs-20-a-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:05:29 GMT (09:00UTC 20/11/08)
11.9 C
RH 88%
Wind 0.8 kts NE
1023.3 hPa steady
Rain 0.0mm last 24hrs
This month's rain days 11
Consecutive days with no rain 2

Clouds disappearing southwards

Hugh

--

Hugh Newbury

www.evershot-weather.org
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Hugh Newbury http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128864-obs-evershot-wdorset-thurs-20-a.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128863-penzance-mild-morning-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:05:12 GMT After a maximum of 14.3C yesterday, with good sunny spells, the
temperature dropped to 9.7C yesterday evening. At 09:00 today (20th)
it's back to 12.8C.

A good deal windier this morning. Currently a Force 4 - 5, with the
normal gustiness associated with a NW.

Graham
Penzance
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128863-penzance-mild-morning.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128862-obs-chalfont-st-giles-thu-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:49:27 GMT Chalfont St Giles - Thursday 20th November 2008 ------------------------------------------------------------ 0630z W F2-3 20+km 7Sc 10.9/08.5 1017 RMK: The moon is visible occasionally through chinks in the Sc layer. Norman. -- Chalfont St Giles - Thursday 20th November 2008
------------------------------------------------------------

0630z W F2-3 20+km 7Sc 10.9/08.5 1017
RMK: The moon is visible occasionally through chinks in the Sc layer.


Norman.

--
Norman Lynagh
Chalfont St Giles, Buckinghamshire
85m a.s.l.
(remove "thisbit" twice to e-mail)
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128862-obs-chalfont-st-giles-thu.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128861-todays-model-interpretation-20-11-a-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:26:26 GMT Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Monday.
Issued 0525, 20th November 2008

The first half of the week will see rather cold northerlies give way to a
ridge, then by Thursday milder SW'lies will affect the UK as the ridge sinks
southwards. The outlook beyond that is a generally cool one, however, with
frequent incursions of somewhat cold air from the NW or north.

Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS
http://85.214.49.20/pics/Rtavn001.png
Westerlies and WNW'lies cover the UK, with complex low pressure over
Scandinavia and a large high to the WSW. The winds strengthen from the WNW
tomorrrow as a ridge builds to the west and on Saturday NW'lies cover the
UK. Sunday sees a weak ridge cross the UK, with WSW'lies.

T+120 synopsis
http://85.214.49.20/pics/Rtavn12014.png /
http://85.214.49.20/pics/Rtavn1201.png
http://85.214.49.20/pics/Rukm1201.gif
http://85.214.49.20/pics/Recm1201.gif /
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/nogapse_cartes.php
The jetstream chart shows a trough to the east and a large ridge to the
west, with the jet heading SSW'wards over Scotland and Northern Ireland. At
the 500hPa level there are northerlies with a large ridge to the west. MetO
also shows northerlies alodt, while ECM has NNW'lies. GEM brings upper
northerlies as with MetO and GFS.
At the surface, GFS brings strong northerlies as a ridge approaches the UK
from the west. The other runs show NNW'lies, again with a ridge to the west.

Evolution to T+168
Day 6 with ECM shows a ridge over Scotland and NNE'lies for the UK. The
ridge sinks southwards over England and Wales on day 7, with SW'lies
elsewhere.
On day 6 with GFS a ridge moves over the UK, bringing NNE'lies to England
and Wales and SW'lies elsewhere. SW'lies affect all areas on day 7 as the
ridge declines and moves SE'wards.

Looking further afield
Day 8 with ECM shows a trough over Scotland and Northern Ireland, resulting
in southerlies elsewhere. The trough makes slow progress eastwards on day 9,
with southerlies in advance and NNW'lies following behind. By day 10 a deep
low lies to the west with the remnants of the trough over Scotland. Winds
are southerlies or SSE'lies across the UK.
SW'lies cover the UK on day 8 with GFS, as a weak trough moves eastwards.
The trough becomes a low over the North Sea and SE England on day 9, with
northerlies elsewhere. By day 10 NW'lies cover the UK as the low moves
NE'wards to Norway.

Ensemble analysis
(http://91.121.94.83/modeles/gens/gra...ille=Lon dres)
The ensembles show a cold outlook now, with a couple of colder days for the
22nd/23rd, followed by a return to a "sine wave" mobile pattern. However,
the sine wave is oscillating around -3 or -4C, rather than the +1 or +2C
that it should be at this time of year.


]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128861-todays-model-interpretation-20-11-a.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128859-nasa-record-anomaly-new-post.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:03:06 GMT Yet despite receiving a federal budget of over $1bn for climate work,
Schmidt admitted last week that only one quarter of a full-time
employee checks the data.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11...ockup_catalog/

What's quarter of an half wit worth in the US of A then? 2 Presidubses?
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Weatherlawyer http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128859-nasa-record-anomaly.html http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128858-mild-wednesday-solent-mrsc-15-a-new-post.html Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:46:12 GMT Meteosat 8 satellite picture from Ferdinand Valk's site at 12.00 UTC
on Wednesday 19th November
http://www.fvalk.com/images/Day_imag...8-1200-EUR.jpg

Meteosat MSG-2 satellite picture from Bernard Burton's site at 12.00
UTC on Wednesday 19th November
http://www.woksat.info/etcqk19m/qk19-msg-1200-uk.html

NOAA 18 satellite picture from Bernard Burton's site at 13.14 UTC on
Wednesday 19th November
http://www.woksat.info/etcqk19/qk19-1314-b-uk.html

A lot of cloud over laerge areas of the British Isles but quite sunny
in East Anglia and southern England and near the south coast of
Ireland. Belgium under frontal cloud.


UK min. temps on Tuesday night http://tinyurl.com/59veks

Hereford 3.9°C, Coningsby and Middle Wallop 3.8°C, Marham 3.4°C,
Scampton, Wattisham and Bournemouth (Hurn) 3.1°C, Farnborough 3.0°C,
Shap 1.6°C, Benson 1.3°C.

Aultbea 9.7°C, South Uist and St Mary’s (Scilly) 9.9°C, Machrihanish
10.6°C.


UK max. temps on Wednesday http://tinyurl.com/582egu

Glen Ogle 7.7°C, Drumalbin and Spadeadam 9.4°C, St Bees Head and
Bingley 9.7°C.

Culdrose 13.5°C, Topcliffe, Dishforth and Shoreham 13.6°C,
Inverbervie and Pershore 13.7°C, Boulmer 13.8°C, Aberdeen and
Bournemouth (Hurn) 14.1°C, Plymouth 14.2°C, Aboyne 14.6°C, Solent
MRSC 15.1°C.

OGIMET summary http://tinyurl.com/5meujh


Rainfall radar http://www.meteox.com/h.aspx?r=&soort=loop24uur&URL
or http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/

Some rain in northern Scotland on Wednesday.

Rainfall totals in 24 hours ending 18.00 UTC on Wednesday
http://tinyurl.com/55e856

Ballypatrick, Kirkwall, Tulloch Bridge, Tiree, Stornoway and Port
Ellen (Islay) 2 mm, Fair Isle and Aultbea 3 mm, Baltasound and Lusa
(Skye) 4 mm, Lerwick 5 mm, Altnaharra 6 mm.


Location of some UK stations http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/education/data/uk_map.html


Colin Youngs
Brussels
]]> uk.sci.weather (UK Weather) Colin Youngs http://www.weather-banter.co.uk/uk-sci-weather-uk-weather/128858-mild-wednesday-solent-mrsc-15-a.html